When will someone grow a pair and create a proper justice system?

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Ava Whites killer gets 13 years today for stabbing her to death in Liverpool last November.

The judge refused to name him as well.
We just keep hearing crappy sentences and decisions all the time?
All on the side of the offender?

Do you think anything will ever change? Why couldn't we hear the news he's been locked up for 35 years and he has been named?
Someone some balls needs to take charge. Countryside an embarrassment.

I hate these threads. They are so ignorant. People who work in the criminal justice system do an extremely hard job as well as they possibly can, only to be told by people who have a snapshot of a case they are clueless and out of touch. They’re not. They live in the so-called real world too.

I absolutely agree.
I know it's no consolation but it's happening in Ireland too - soft sentencing - but it's even worse.
We have people committing multiple offences, often when on bail and of course they are eligible for free legal aid.
The victim comes last

I hope we are moving away from naming criminals, it makes it 'all about them', how many without looking it up can name Ted Bundy's victims, Peter Sutcliff etc etc

But the perpetrators names live on.

In this case of course there are different reasons for not naming but I dont want to remember the convict, we should remember the victims.

The victims definitely do not come last.

You really have no clue at all, do you?

We have people committing multiple offences, often when on bail and of course they are eligible for free legal aid.

Having representation is actually one of the ways to ensure justice. Have you seen literacy levels of criminals? They wouldn't stand a chance against a lawyer and that would not be ok.
Many people are all about lack of human rights unless it suits their argument it seems to me.

And saying that everyone should have representation should they need it, doesn't mean standing up for criminals and "think they are cool" or whatever it was

I agree. Especially in some cases they really should not be named. Person x (3/22) would tone lots of the fame down.

Are you misquoting there with the 'thinking they are cool' statement?
How you have extrapolated that referred to involved professionals if so I am confused.
This comment is in relation to the 15yo allegedly being exploited into stabbing Ava by their peers.

14 year old

And not ‘allegedly exploited’ but involved in ongoing cases related to criminal exploitation (of him)

i think the British Justice system needs a complete overhaul. Drink/careless drivers getting off, various other specific cases that I can’t remember but have been utterly horrendous for the victim.

Also not exploited into stabbing but maybe carrying a knife and protective of his phone due to the exploitation- honestly do people want blood or do they want to understand why vulnerable children end up committing awful crimes so they can be prevented?

no one is excusing his actions merely seeking to understand them

the impact of criminal exploitation, county lines activities and trafficking is devastating for everyone caught up in it

Yet he’ll still be able to have a life? Why should he when he’s taken a life?

I honestly don't understand and it's probably lucky for me I don't understand, so vulnerable and exploited so it's not his fault that he resulted in stabbing Ava to death because he was protecting his phone?

Because we don’t murder people on state order in the UK

also do you understand the term minimum?

Oh I know you don’t want to understand- it’s far easier to be angry and vengeful- I work with it daily - kids stabbed kids stabbing kids trafficked abused threatened and criminalised I wish I didn’t understand so much! It’s awful what is happening out there

Who is asking for 'blood' or state murder? Can't see anyone asking for that, just longer sentences than coming out when still mid 20s.
Jumping straight to the you want blood and state murder rhetoric removes all the sensibility from the argument

Also could you PLEASE point out in any of my posts where I have said he is not responsible or it’s not his fault?

Yet he’ll still be able to have a life? Why should he when he’s taken a life

well what is the opposite of to ‘have a life’?

@MichelleScarn im not just replying to you

Anyway a day of having to actually deal with this awaits me so I’m off to sleep - and worry about dropping the ball

Yanbu. Nasty little shit, he knew exactly what he was doing. He tried to cover it up. Lock him up and throw away the key along with all the other vile ‘people’ who commit atrocious crimes. He shouldn’t be allowed out to live a free life when he’s taken someone else’s.

He will be at least 28 when he comes out. Not mid-twenties. He will only be released if it’s appropriate to do so.

We can’t name his next victim
yet - the name everyone needs. Unless he stays locked up for a bit longer.

it’s not all about the killers’ feelings.

There’s lots wrong with the justice system. Years of chronic underfunding leading to crazy waiting times and criminal barristers getting paid below minimum wage is a real problem.

Revealing the identity of a child and locking them up so long they have no hope of reform isn’t going to help anyone. Prison is there to keep people safe, investment and reform may not be palatable but are the best way to achieve public safety.