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Does your DC primary school allow squash through a hot day?

381 replies

Neowwwm · 11/07/2022 09:03

Sent my DC with a non- see through bottle with juice in today as since weaning and trying - DC has never drank plain water. Teacher removed the bottle stating water only in the day which will be provided with their own water bottles from school and juice only at lunch time.

AIBU or should this rule be relaxed during heatwaves?

OP posts:
DrMadelineMaxwell · 11/07/2022 11:19

If one of my class brings in squash, then they are asked to keep it in their bags and use it at break and lunch, but that only water comes into class for all the previously mentioned spillage/sticky/computers etc reasons. I wouldn't take it off them though, just ask them not to have it in class.

1000yellowdaisies · 11/07/2022 11:20

My school is water only but Dd is terrible for not drinking so i send her in with squash. No its not ideal and she should drink water but my focus is more on keeping her hydrated.
And honestly compared to the amount of junk some kids eat, DD eats healthily so i cant get worked up about squash vs water.

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 11/07/2022 11:21

Silverswirl · 11/07/2022 11:18

That will have been set very early in your childhood and you will have been offered an alternative when very little (probably very sugary back then) which you feel preferred. After that water didn’t taste so good and gagging got the response from your primary caregiver that you required.
This in built dislike of water has continued and subconsciously passed to your child as so so many likes and dislikes / character traits do between parent and child.
If juice, squash and fizzy drinks all disappeared tomorrow from every shop in the world and all there was left were bottles of water or tap water, you would be drinking it and most likely in months or years down the line your brain would have got very used to the way it tastes and you would like it.

They have autism! It's not as simple as how you are trying to make it out to be 😒 Are you really this clueless or do you enjoy being goady?

Hahahahayeah · 11/07/2022 11:21

FunDragon · 11/07/2022 10:45

But your story proves the point, doesn’t it?

You gave him juice because you had to. And then he liked it and didn’t want to go back to water. If he hadn’t had juice he’d have continued drinking water.

I realise you didn’t have a choice and I’m not judging because I had the same thing happen to my son after a bout of norovirus - persuading him to accept water after we’d given him apple juice to help him recover his strength was a real struggle. But it does prove the point.

I wasn't trying to disprove the point.

Just show that there are some very genuine reasons why parents may give juice and it's not always as simple as 'just don't EVER give them juice and it won't be a problem'.

I had to give my child juice at a very young age and no it's not just because I'm an "idiot".

SirenSays · 11/07/2022 11:22

I still get dehydrated if all I can drink is water. Its like it gives me the worst dry mouth ever, it literally feels worse than having nothing at all to drink. I've always been like this.
It always seems to be the people who guzzle coffee and fruit juices by the gallon that demand children only have plain water.

Silverswirl · 11/07/2022 11:22

TheGreatBobinsky · 11/07/2022 11:16

So your answer is to allow a child to be hospitalised multiple times if they don't drink water? Rather than preventing them from becoming that dehydrated by offering them something that they will drink? Do you think the medication for repeated kidney infections is healthier than dilute, sugar free squash? Or do the hospital stays where they are being injected with saline IVs and on wards with lots of other poorly children carry less risk than a bit of juice? Is it a conscious choice to be this ignorant?

No, but by that point the damage is already done. As I’ve said if all squash and juice disappeared over night or you were suddenly transported to a country where all they have is water, you would drink water.
As I said upthread you have facilitated it, weather you realise it or not.

EsmeeMerlin · 11/07/2022 11:24

Those that are insisting children should only drink water have clearly never had a child in hospital with dehydration. If you have a child with additional needs you are not going to risk a hospital visit by battling or insisting on water. It's not as easy as saying if they are thirsty they will drink it, some just won't. It's not as if every adult drinks water, there are many posters on Mumsnet who post admitting they need to drink more water. Bottles with time reminders to drink water are extremely popular. So if adults need reminding to drink more water what makes you think a child with additional needs will just drink it? In an ideal world we would all drink more water but if it's a case of sugar free flavoured water/sugar free squash or yet another hospital visit, I know which choice I'll be making.

Nanananananana99 · 11/07/2022 11:24

@ElBandito is most squash sugar free or is it no added sugar?

Silverswirl · 11/07/2022 11:25

Hahahahayeah · 11/07/2022 11:21

I wasn't trying to disprove the point.

Just show that there are some very genuine reasons why parents may give juice and it's not always as simple as 'just don't EVER give them juice and it won't be a problem'.

I had to give my child juice at a very young age and no it's not just because I'm an "idiot".

But then when they are back from hospital and we’ll it’s your responsibility to make sure they go back to water as their main drink. By any means necessary - move mountains to get there, try absolutely every resource this country has to offer even if it takes months.
but no, many people wouldn’t do that because tipping squash in for the rest of your childhood / adult hood is easier.

Nanananananana99 · 11/07/2022 11:27

@SirenSays if you drink water but still feel thirsty it can be a sign of diabetes or iron deficiency. Not having a go at you just saying incase you want to get it checked out.

Silverswirl · 11/07/2022 11:30

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 11/07/2022 11:21

They have autism! It's not as simple as how you are trying to make it out to be 😒 Are you really this clueless or do you enjoy being goady?

Whilst I accept there are exceptions of severe cases In general Having autism does not mean you could or should not have fresh plain water as your main drink. It’s incredibly important to a healthy body. And yes, I know at least a dozen people very well (best friends or close family) who have asd or adhd or both including one of my own children.

TheGreatBobinsky · 11/07/2022 11:31

Silverswirl · 11/07/2022 11:22

No, but by that point the damage is already done. As I’ve said if all squash and juice disappeared over night or you were suddenly transported to a country where all they have is water, you would drink water.
As I said upthread you have facilitated it, weather you realise it or not.

Did you miss the point or choose to ignore it that many of these parents don't give squash until the child has already been hospitalised? Alot of those children haven't tasted anything other than water, that they have not drunk which has led to them becoming dehydrated. I have kidney damage from not drinking enough as a child - be that water, squash or juice. I gave myself permanent kidney damage rather than drink water. I've had sepsis from severe kidney infections because I can't force myself to drink enough water. I am not going to risk my children also having permanent kidney damage. If every other drink dissappeared tomorrow - I would likely end up dying from kidney failure, or sepsis from an infection.

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 11/07/2022 11:32

Silverswirl · 11/07/2022 11:30

Whilst I accept there are exceptions of severe cases In general Having autism does not mean you could or should not have fresh plain water as your main drink. It’s incredibly important to a healthy body. And yes, I know at least a dozen people very well (best friends or close family) who have asd or adhd or both including one of my own children.

And yet you think all people with autism are the same , OK then....

RockinHorseShit · 11/07/2022 11:33

Oh do STFU @Silverswirl, you're ignorance over SN & sensory issues is palpable, yet still you think up your voice needs to be heard🙄. Go give your head a wobble & stop behaving like such an ignorant dick over something you clearly do no have any understanding of

Silverswirl · 11/07/2022 11:34

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 11/07/2022 11:32

And yet you think all people with autism are the same , OK then....

No. What is the same though is every humans basic need and right to clean fresh water without added chemicals.

sashh · 11/07/2022 11:35

Ostryga · 11/07/2022 09:08

I’d get a meeting with the school as your child can’t go all day with only having one drink at lunch. DD’s school is water only, but relaxes the rules for children with additional needs.

I'm old enough to remember not having a drunk unless it was with your lunch at school. I think it is much healthier to have water throughout the day.

The problems with juice are:

If it spills it cases a mess, and often to someone else's work.
If it spills on a carpeted floor then it's going to attract insects
Sipping juice / cordial all day is a fast track to tooth decay

It also teaches the child that the rules don't apply to them.

Obviously SEN is different. Particularly things like Autism / sensory issues.

And in some areas water doesn't taste great, filtering it can help.

Silverswirl · 11/07/2022 11:38

RockinHorseShit · 11/07/2022 11:33

Oh do STFU @Silverswirl, you're ignorance over SN & sensory issues is palpable, yet still you think up your voice needs to be heard🙄. Go give your head a wobble & stop behaving like such an ignorant dick over something you clearly do no have any understanding of

Someone has a different opinion to you. Swearing and name calling belongs in the playground and won’t alter my opinion I’m afraid. Thankfully I am free to have a discussion and yet make my voice heard. Your patronising put downs won’t change that.

Neverplayleapfrogwithaunicorn · 11/07/2022 11:39

My daughter has AN and will drink water but only if coerced. I am very similar which is shameful for a grown up but I really don't like plain water.
a lot of the kids in her class have recently ordered air up bottles. They are quite expensive but you drink only water and It has a scent cartridge in the top that tricks your brain into thinking you are drinking flavoured water.
we have ordered one so that she will drink when she goes to secondary as they won't be on her case as much.
This may be a solution for you.

nwatty · 11/07/2022 11:39

Ours is officially water only but most definitely turn a blind eye to squash!

mizzo · 11/07/2022 11:40

But then when they are back from hospital and we’ll it’s your responsibility to make sure they go back to water as their main drink. By any means necessary - move mountains to get there, try absolutely every resource this country has to offer even if it takes months.
but no, many people wouldn’t do that because tipping squash in for the rest of your childhood / adult hood is easier.
I did. I tried different cups, straws, different temperatures, bottled, filtered, fresh fruit in it, food colouring, ice cubes, sticker charts, praising, ignoring and probably loads of other things I've forgotten about.
DD was 11 months when she was in hospital and first had squash and 11 years when she started drinking plain water. She's one of four, all the others drink water happily.

LoveBugBride · 11/07/2022 11:41

Ours is water only, I give DS flavoured still water. I am adult and prefer squash over plain water!

MyneighbourisTotoro · 11/07/2022 11:42

@Silverswirl your ignorance is outstanding!

As a baby my son was only ever offered milk or water, same as his older sister who only drinks water! My son would always choke and gag on water and started to refuse it. I tried everything and eventually the HV suggested diluted fresh apple juice so not squash, it worked a
treat and that’s what he has continued to drink. His teeth are perfect and he is a happy healthy boy.
I can’t see how I’ve passed on my own issues with water on to him considering how hard I tried to avoid it for both my children!

My parents didn’t buy squash for me when I was a child and I‘ve never liked squash!
I was allowed to have fresh orange juice, tea or milk in the morning and was always given water for the day but I didn’t drink it! In the end I had to have mini cartons of fresh juice otherwise I was going to end up in hospital.

You think you can force children to drink water but taking away all the other options but that’s not how autism works, the child will literally end up in hospital, it is not a choice, it is not just putting up with drinking something we dislike.
I don’t think you will ever understand and it is so sad that an adult can’t find the open mindedness needed to learn about another persons struggles and difficult.

Silverswirl · 11/07/2022 11:42

TheGreatBobinsky · 11/07/2022 11:31

Did you miss the point or choose to ignore it that many of these parents don't give squash until the child has already been hospitalised? Alot of those children haven't tasted anything other than water, that they have not drunk which has led to them becoming dehydrated. I have kidney damage from not drinking enough as a child - be that water, squash or juice. I gave myself permanent kidney damage rather than drink water. I've had sepsis from severe kidney infections because I can't force myself to drink enough water. I am not going to risk my children also having permanent kidney damage. If every other drink dissappeared tomorrow - I would likely end up dying from kidney failure, or sepsis from an infection.

Ok I respect your opinion but I have to disagree there. Are you really saying that if all there was to drink was water your would rather not drink it and die leaving your children motherless? If so, wow. Just wow. I would rather force feed myself horse shit every day for 20 years that leave my children without me.

memyselfi · 11/07/2022 11:44

Get one of those filter jugs .

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 11/07/2022 11:45

Thinking about it, it's probably better to ignore some posters