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Coursha · 2022-07-09T07:38:42+00:00

I have covid right now and due to fly to Spain in a few days. The rules are that I just need to show my vaccine pass but doesn’t seem to say don’t travel of you have covid. Can this be right? Don’t know if I need to cancel. I tested positive 4 days ago.

MRex · 12/07/2022 08:12

The whole family should test, because changes are high that you've infected at least one. Anyone positive shouldn't get on a plane, any more than they would with norovirus, chickenpox or other illness. Some people do, that's irresponsible and is the reason why illness spreads so much on flights.

You might get a negative test, or you might not. I didn't until day 9 and it was recently.

LivingDeadGirlUK · 12/07/2022 08:19

I think the risk here is that the rest of your family get it in the next few days. Are they testing as well? I'm fairly relaxed but a plane is recirculated air, a germ fest at the best of times!

ApplesandBunions · 12/07/2022 08:42

Dishh · 12/07/2022 07:59

@ApplesandBunions

Ultimately, either it's fine for people to talk about their own experiences or it isn't. I quite understand thinking people shouldn't universalise their own experiences, but if that's your stance it needs to apply to everyone. This goes for you too @Dishh. Complain about everyone or nobody, otherwise what it's actually about is your own stance on the issue from day one.

Like I said, I agree with you there - as long as the experiences shared are actually authentic and not simply supporting a long-held narrative and view. If my experience of Covid isn't as bad as my recent experience of pneumonia, I'd be happy to say so. FYI, I'm not complaining about anyone. I'd just like all posters, whatever their views on Covid, to be as genuine as possible with their experience.

This presumes that an experience can't both support a long held view and be authentic, which is obviously inaccurate. A person could have had good reason to worry about covid due to their own vulnerabilities, caught it and had a really bad time, for example.

And if you do think someone's actually making it up, come out and say that.

notimagain · 12/07/2022 11:31

I'm fairly relaxed but a plane is recirculated air, a germ fest at the best of times!

Many will be glad no doubt I'm not going to go through the whole TL;DR I've done before about how large aircraft A/C systems work and HEPA filters, etc... No amount of explanation seems to change the assumption that aircraft in themselves are uniquely germy 🙄when it comes to modes of transportation, something that seems to have become an unshakable article of faith for many..

I think there is a bigger question: if you have tested positive should you be travelling at all on any form of mass public transportation or indeed be anywhere where there are large numbers of people in close proximity such as bus/railway stations or even busy shopping centres?

Dishh · 12/07/2022 11:34

@ApplesandBunions

This presumes that an experience can't both support a long held view and be authentic, which is obviously inaccurate. A person could have had good reason to worry about covid due to their own vulnerabilities, caught it and had a really bad time, for example.

It doesn't presume that at all. Read it again.

What if this person you mention above had spent a good amount of time on social media denying Covid exists, only to have an awful time with Covid - including hospitalisation - when they catch it themselves? How would feel then to read a status from them saying it was "nothing" and " just a cold"?

And if you do think someone's actually making it up, come out and say that.

I have no need to say that. I do think some aren't being quite genuine. It is strange though: for almost every Covid minimiser on this 'it was just a cold' (or variation on this theme). I just find it a curious pattern.

ApplesandBunions · 12/07/2022 11:43

Dishh · 12/07/2022 11:34

@ApplesandBunions

This presumes that an experience can't both support a long held view and be authentic, which is obviously inaccurate. A person could have had good reason to worry about covid due to their own vulnerabilities, caught it and had a really bad time, for example.

It doesn't presume that at all. Read it again.

What if this person you mention above had spent a good amount of time on social media denying Covid exists, only to have an awful time with Covid - including hospitalisation - when they catch it themselves? How would feel then to read a status from them saying it was "nothing" and " just a cold"?

And if you do think someone's actually making it up, come out and say that.

I have no need to say that. I do think some aren't being quite genuine. It is strange though: for almost every Covid minimiser on this 'it was just a cold' (or variation on this theme). I just find it a curious pattern.

You said the experiences have to be authentic and not supporting a long held view, so how does that not set up the two as separate things and what exactly are you suggesting about people whose stated experiences would support their long held view?

As for finding it curious, it's interesting that you don't see fit to comment on people who were at higher risk from covid, got it and were proven correct in their worries. Yet that's the exact same principle as someone who thought it would be minor and found that it was.

Unless you have some actual proof you want to throw in, naming names and providing receipts, that tells us more about your pre-existing biases than anything else.

Dishh · 12/07/2022 13:30

@ApplesandBunions

You said the experiences have to be authentic and not supporting a long held view, so how does that not set up the two as separate things and what exactly are you suggesting about people whose stated experiences would support their long held view?

This is word salad. BTW, of course stated experiences can support long held views. Extra points for authenticity of course.

As for finding it curious, it's interesting that you don't see fit to comment on people who were at higher risk from covid, got it and were proven correct in their worries. Yet that's the exact same principle as someone who thought it would be minor and found that it was.

I knew you'd say that. However, I do find also there are plenty of high-risk people that post here who were previously worried about getting Covid but it turned out to be be okay - and they posted so.

ApplesandBunions · 12/07/2022 13:38

Dishh · 12/07/2022 13:30

@ApplesandBunions

You said the experiences have to be authentic and not supporting a long held view, so how does that not set up the two as separate things and what exactly are you suggesting about people whose stated experiences would support their long held view?

This is word salad. BTW, of course stated experiences can support long held views. Extra points for authenticity of course.

As for finding it curious, it's interesting that you don't see fit to comment on people who were at higher risk from covid, got it and were proven correct in their worries. Yet that's the exact same principle as someone who thought it would be minor and found that it was.

I knew you'd say that. However, I do find also there are plenty of high-risk people that post here who were previously worried about getting Covid but it turned out to be be okay - and they posted so.

Something doesn't become word salad because you didn't understand it, but let's try again.

You said it's fine for people to talk about their experiences as long as they're authentic and not supporting a long held view. Let's assume you didn't actually mean that it isn't possible for experiences to be both. What exactly is the problem with people whose experiences do support their long held views speaking about them, and what do they have to do other than be convenient to your perspective to be able to post them without you making insinuations? And are you going to back anything up?

Also, nobody said there aren't high risk people who posted here about having an easy time with covid. That's a given.

SilverTonic · 12/07/2022 17:35

Honestly, this thread is whats wrong with the world. OP has clearly been looking at the guidance and trying to get her head around it, comes here to ask for advice and gets totally slated, called a twat, selfish etc. People even going as far as blaming her for the fact they caught COVID or the reason why some people cant go on holiday.......Seriously????

Who knows how much the OP spent on her holiday but given its peak time and depending how many are going it could easily be in excess of 4k, insurance would be unlikely to cover a cancellation because she isnt breaking the rules so she should just not go and lose her money to keep you lot happy!!!

Dishh · 13/07/2022 03:14

@ApplesandBunions

You said it's fine for people to talk about their experiences as long as they're authentic and not supporting a long held view. Let's assume you didn't actually mean that it isn't possible for experiences to be both. What exactly is the problem with people whose experiences do support their long held views speaking about them, and what do they have to do other than be convenient to your perspective to be able to post them without you making insinuations? And are you going to back anything up?

Apologies for the gap in replying to you - it was time for bed. I didn't say anything about not supporting a long-held view. I'll assume that's a typo on your part. You know what I'm saying here, and you're trying to twist it - no matter what side of the spectrum people are, as long as they are genuine about their experience, how hard can that be?

Covid, for middle-aged to older women - many of those with extra morbidities - has been and will be a debilitating disease. I'm really pleased so many haven't had issues with Covid. I'm just less inclined to believe them if they've always posted awful denier/minimising bollocks. Sorry.

And I don't have to back anything up. This isn't a courtroom.