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To not want to raise a child into this vicious, dog-eat-dog, cut-throat country?

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summergal250 · 08/07/2022 23:44

Really I'm pretty close to giving up on the idea of one day having kids.

Why?

Unless you're rich, everything in the country is just an endless, ceaseless, dog-eat-dog fight over scraps. Day after day, month after month, year after year. I don't want my child to have to deal with this crap.

Examples:
. I'm currently having issues with the landlord over various repairs he's dragging his feet on. His attitude is, if you don't like it move. I pay £700 for this crappy shoebox. I could just move - again - or threaten court action, which as empty as any money I'd get from that would be wiped out by legal fees.

. This is like my 10th rental in 12 years. EVERY single one them had at least one serious issue with it - mice, damp, noise issues, no washing machine, landlords entering property etc. Out all of them only one landlord was actually a decent person - all the rest having been lying, cheating, two-faced money-grubbers. Of course, not a problem if mummy and daddy can give you a deposit. In my 30s yet feel as I'm trapped in a permanent state of being 21.

. I work full time and do freelance in my spare time. I constantly look for new, better paying roles and I have been saving for a deposit for years and as house prices just rise and rise it feels I'm getting nowhere. I'm almost at the point of saying, why bother? How is it fair to raise a kid in some crummy tiny flat? The housing issue has been a problem for 20 years and NOTHING has been done - every year it just gets worse and worse. Meanwhile smug boomers who bought their semi for £80K in 1979 bang on about avocados.

. I got conned into doing a degree which every adult in my teens said would be a ticket to a great future. Instead, all it represents is a massive pile of debt and a waste of three years. Yet, even a receptionist job now insists on a degree, so you have to do it, even though only a degree from Oxbridge or a top redbrick is worth anything these days.

. Jobs - graduated into the recession. I've had jobs where I've been bullied, others with psycho bosses, others with vicious backstabbing 'colleagues'. Constantly the implicit threat of - if you don't like it we'll fire you. Felt I was finally getting somewhere in my old job and then was made redundant during covid. Cue several months of soul-destroying unemployment. The job I have now is ok but less well paid then my old one - so, more struggle, more jostling for favour, wasting more of my free time looking for a better paid jobs, more endless rounds of interviews. I feel like I've been going up the down escalator the entire time. Every year it seems the jobs market gets fiercer, more competitive, more brutal and cut-throat.

. The low pay means I spend large chunks of my free time freelancing. I enjoy it but it can be exhausting. Atm I'm embroiled in a dispute with a client who is refusing to pay for some completed work (with £700) - turns out he's con man with a dodgy past. I'm having to take him to a small claims court - yet more of my time and energy wasted.

. Similar to an occasion a few months back where a hotel Cornwall was nothing like the pics when I got there - it was in a disgusting state. I cancelled and went elsewhere, and then was embroiled in a 3 month battle to get my money back, with the owner only relenting when I got the local council involved.

Spotting a pattern?

If you're not rich in this country everything's just a pointless, exhausting fight to keep your head above water. Every economic interaction is just a vicious bare-knuckle fight, with people out to shaft you for what they can. Honestly, if it wasn't for my family and friends I really would have just given up on the human race.

I won't go into the this country's general lack of manners, the yobbish behaviour of many people here, the rows of homeless tents in out high streets, the crappy education system, the utterly broken and corrupt political system, and the general utter madness society seems to fall further into with every passing year. The quality of life here just deteriorates every year.

So, basically, I don't want to inflict this on a child. My life is worse than my parents - fact. I'm doubt I'll ever reach their level. If you're not rich, children have no future in this country - just an endless treadmill of debt and exploitation. And every trend I've discussed above is getting worse - I just dread to think how things will be when they grew up.

And before people start saying, 'maybe it's you' - believe you me, I've fought coming to these conclusions tooth and nail. Grew up in a firm Old Labour home - solidarity and all that. I used to be the classic caring, sharing, naive people-pleaser - after years of being taken advantage of and shafted I've bit by bit given up. Now all I care about is myself, my family and my immediate friends.

OP posts:
PaperTyger · 14/07/2022 16:45

I agree about rouge landlord op, and mould it's dreadful!

We definitely need urgent bloody action on that!!

However most of the world is dog eat dog without our access to health and education.

Re your legal fees will be eaten up by court that's not true

You can represent yourself in the small claims court! Threaten it and see what happens

Go on and get the forms. Good luck.

Mamamia7962 · 14/07/2022 16:45

Seek and you will find, OP.

worriedatthistime · 14/07/2022 16:46

@sayanythingelse except it wasn't for many many people
Loads of boomers ( shit word ) live in ha / council properties , many also worked as welL
My parents own their own home but both worked full time to be able to afford it, my mum still works part time now to afford the house
Whilst i agree house prices are ridiculous the belief that it was all so much easier
The 80's/90's see high interest rates and lots of repossesions

SpaceGoatFarm · 14/07/2022 16:47

Yep that's exactly right, and that's how the right wing media and political establishment like it. We're punished for the sin of not being into the born to rule class. The French would have had a revolution years ago over this sorry state.

beastlyslumber · 14/07/2022 16:48

those blaming it on your mindset are clearly not poor themselves

Nope. I've been homeless, I've had less than nothing. So grateful that I live in a country where I could go from poverty to a comfortable life, simply by working hard and taking responsibility for myself. I'm still not wealthy - I don't own my own home, only have a small amount of savings. But I'm glad I didn't bring my miserable negativity with me through my life. The best thing I ever did was to stop blaming everyone and everything else for my problems and realise it was up to me to create the life I wanted. Not everyone has those kinds of opportunities, but you do, OP. You're young, you're educated, you have a job and a freelance business. The only thing keeping you stuck is your own attitude.

SpaceGoatFarm · 14/07/2022 16:48

And we have a great lineup of far right millionaires waiting to take over as our dear leader.

Twizbe · 14/07/2022 16:48

Also let's not forget our parents didn't have it easy either.

Inflation was ridiculous in the late 70s. My parents would do a huge shop once a month as by the end of the month prices would have risen loads.

Their interest payments on their mortgage were huge.

There was limited maternity leave and only a fraction of the childcare option open to us.

Women could be fired for getting married never mind pregnant

Renters had even less rights than they do now. who can forget signs saying 'no Irish, no dogs, no blacks'

But yeah those lucky baby boomers who brought their homes in 1979 ...

CanaryShoulderedThorn · 14/07/2022 16:51

Sorry you are feeling so down OP.
Life is so hard for so many right now.
I agree with you about degrees, in many cases they are worthless and apprenticeships seem so much better value.

GCHeretic · 14/07/2022 16:52

SpaceGoatFarm · 14/07/2022 16:47

Yep that's exactly right, and that's how the right wing media and political establishment like it. We're punished for the sin of not being into the born to rule class. The French would have had a revolution years ago over this sorry state.

No-one is punishing you, really. The state will house you if you are homeless, treat you if you are sick, and give you money if you cannot work.

You receive a free education to the age of eighteen, and live in a country with low unemployment and relatively high wages.

You can’t really claim that this adds up to punishment.

Fairyliz · 14/07/2022 16:53

Where do you live op, I’m assuming London?
I live in the Midlands in an ex mining town but I don’t really recognise any of this. Nobody I know is rich, all earning ‘average salaries’ but they don’t live like this.
Ok nobody lives a lavish lifestyle but everyone lives an ok lifestyle and generally people are decent and look out for each other. Yes there are some arseholes around but 95% people are fine.

roarfeckingroarr · 14/07/2022 16:53

YABVU. Life's great.

hurtyb · 14/07/2022 16:54

But yeah those lucky baby boomers who brought their homes in 1979 ...

I would certainly take the pension schemes, job security, wage growth, cheaper house prices despite higher interest rates.

SpaceGoatFarm · 14/07/2022 16:54

Actually the no irish, no dogs, no blacks sign thing is a myth.

beastlyslumber · 14/07/2022 16:56

I think it's ignorant and ungrateful to talk about this country as a shithole. We have problems, but as a pp said "The state will house you if you are homeless, treat you if you are sick, and give you money if you cannot work". That is emphatically not the case in many countries in the world. In a lot of countries, just being born female means you're unlikely to ever have any kind of independent life. I think we should appreciate the efforts of our grandparents and great-grandparents and our ancestors generally who campaigned and fought and sacrificed for us to have all this wealth, freedom and luxury. Appreciate it, and defend it!

TedMullins · 14/07/2022 16:57

I agree, and I’m one of the people who managed to make it out of that cycle purely by getting a job with a salary enough to buy a one bedroom flat. My quality of life has a direct correlation to how much money I have. It’s not as simple as saying ‘just get a better paid job’ or ‘move out of the south east’. These are deeply ingrained structural issues, not individual ones, and they’re only goi g to get worse. I think my life is pretty good now, but I think the kids who are going to be adults in 20+ years time are going to have an absolutely horrendous time. If they don’t burn in the climate apocalypse they won’t be able to afford to live.

JanisMoplin · 14/07/2022 16:57

those blaming it on your mindset are clearly not poor themselves

I am from a first generation immigrant from a very poor country with no social security when I was growing up. No boomer money in my family.

I am not blaming everything on the OP's mindset, but realistically, if OP does not have language skills or a degree much in demand, where should she go to have kids ? Life in most countries is hard right now.

hurtyb · 14/07/2022 16:57

You receive a free education to the age of eighteen, and live in a country with low unemployment and relatively high wages.

An eduction benefits the country & though & we don't have high wages in this country although I guess it depends what you are comparing it too.

Grendalsmum · 14/07/2022 16:57

If you don't want a child, don't have one - it's not obligatory. It sounds like you are finding things hard going at the moment and a baby is going to make your life much more complicated. Are you feeling especially broody or is this more of a general rant about life?

SpaceGoatFarm · 14/07/2022 16:58

You see a tory MP saying single mothers will only spend vouchers for free school meals on crack and think he doesnt have punishment in mind? How about extreme prejudice then?

hurtyb · 14/07/2022 17:01

There is huge inequality in this country, far more than compared to other similar countries but a lot of people don't like to acknowledge it. I work hard but my position in life is because my parents helped me onto the housing ladder.

lemmein · 14/07/2022 17:02

I agree with you op Sad

SarahSissions · 14/07/2022 17:02

You sound a bit chippy with a bit of a persecution complex. Plenty of people manage to buy a home without help from their parents.

maybe you should vet potential clients more carefully in future or get deposits on work above a certain value?

quite frankly if you are having problems with everyone from clients, to colleagues and bosses, hotels and most of the country perhaps you should look in the mirror to see where the problem lies

GCHeretic · 14/07/2022 17:02

SpaceGoatFarm · 14/07/2022 16:58

You see a tory MP saying single mothers will only spend vouchers for free school meals on crack and think he doesnt have punishment in mind? How about extreme prejudice then?

Well yes, you do seem to be displaying that, but that’s a “you” problem, not a “UK” one.

It’s not anyone’s responsibility other than yours to make yourself employable and able to earn enough to support your family. If you fail the state will step in to ensure you can still eat and have a roof over your head.

Pumperthepumper · 14/07/2022 17:02

I agree with you. It’s so relentless - everything is so expensive, food costs have hiked, energy is sky high, the political situation is dire - and that we voted to make it all worse is something I will always be angry about.

Pumperthepumper · 14/07/2022 17:03

SarahSissions · 14/07/2022 17:02

You sound a bit chippy with a bit of a persecution complex. Plenty of people manage to buy a home without help from their parents.

maybe you should vet potential clients more carefully in future or get deposits on work above a certain value?

quite frankly if you are having problems with everyone from clients, to colleagues and bosses, hotels and most of the country perhaps you should look in the mirror to see where the problem lies

Who manages to buy a home these days without any parental help?

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