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To think Tory party is not ready for a non-white PM

292 replies

allmixedup123 · 08/07/2022 18:52

While all this talk about Rishi goes on, I just can't see it happening. Too much of the tory party is old english and super duper white

this from an independent headline - The Conservative leadership contest is dominated by white men who've furthered inequality in various departments. The winner will be chosen by a membership who are 71 per cent male, 97 per cent white and 44 per cent aged over 65

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Theluggage15 · 08/07/2022 21:37

Amazing how some people seem to see only colour, really says a lot about you and none of it nice.

Rinatinabina · 08/07/2022 21:38

I think the tories also had the most gay Mp’s at the last count (not 100% on that though). Obviously Ruth Davidson can’t be forgotten either. Ultimately it’s down to who they think can win an election. I honestly don’t think race is as important as you think it is here,

I never understood why Liz Kendall wasn’t elected Labour leader though.

fernz · 08/07/2022 21:41

Not sure it's about the party, it's about large parts of the population as a whole regardless of political views. I'm constantly appalled reading comments people make about Sadiq Khan in my local Facebook group and there is no doubt his race has a lot to do with it, reading between the lines. And I live in a safe Labour constituency.

Alliumpoppyrose · 08/07/2022 22:10

As a life long conservative voter, I will not be voting for them next GE if Rishi becomes Pm and its got naff all to do with his colour.

Hes from a massively rich marriage with zero understanding of most of the population and his time as chancellor has been diabolical. Hes also just as much damaged goods as Boris. We need a real change and that's not the snake Rishi.

amicissimma · 08/07/2022 22:11

Selkiesarereal · 08/07/2022 21:03

The Tories will vote for who they think will win them the election, that’s all that matters to them, they really are ruthless in their ambition.

I find this concept, which I see on MN a lot, a little odd.

You can be the most caring, moral, diverse uncorrupt party in the world, but it's of limited effectiveness in opposition, specially if the party in power have a good sized majority.

SarahSissions · 08/07/2022 22:13

I think the problem is him being a billionaire with a creative approach to his own tax affairs.

ginsterloo · 08/07/2022 22:16

So to sum up, the British Prime Minister should have been brought up penniless by a single mother or father, gone to a state school, scrimped and saved through life just so they can empathise with a lot of the population. I personally don't care whether the PM has £1 in the bank or is a billionaire as long as they govern the country in an appropriate fashion, representing the country abroad in an appropriate fashion, being a leader, being someone people look up to and inspires people. And sorting out this mess of a country.

godmum56 · 08/07/2022 22:16

Sarahcoggles · 08/07/2022 19:05

Rishi Sunak terrifies me. My understanding was that one of the things he fell out with Boris over was that Boris wouldn't agree to the cuts he wanted to make. Rishi strikes me as the archetypal Tory who is minted himself, and slashes public spending because he doesn't give a shit about anyone else.
Javid scares me too. I knew his brother when I was a teenager and they were absolutely not a rich family. I'd worry he'd have the attitude of "well if I can do it, so can anyone else", and use that as a reason to cut public spending.

so coming from a rich background is wrong and coming from a poor background is wrong?

GylesBrandrethNewJumper · 08/07/2022 22:23

startfresh · 08/07/2022 20:44

Please name some who have fought in war zones for my interest, please!

Wallace, Tougendhat, Mercer, Anderson, Ellwood, Sunderland. If my memory serves me correctly.

There are certainly more who military though.

Florenz · 08/07/2022 22:25

Selkiesarereal · 08/07/2022 21:03

The Tories will vote for who they think will win them the election, that’s all that matters to them, they really are ruthless in their ambition.

Maybe the Labour party members should vote for who they think will win them the election?

GylesBrandrethNewJumper · 08/07/2022 22:26

GylesBrandrethNewJumper · 08/07/2022 22:23

Wallace, Tougendhat, Mercer, Anderson, Ellwood, Sunderland. If my memory serves me correctly.

There are certainly more who military though.

Other noticeable one I forgot is Heappey.

HRTQueen · 08/07/2022 22:26

I disagree that the Tory party are not ready for a non white party leader or the country

The issue is more his wife non-dom status and his support for Boris Johnson

MarshaBradyo · 08/07/2022 22:28

HRTQueen · 08/07/2022 22:26

I disagree that the Tory party are not ready for a non white party leader or the country

The issue is more his wife non-dom status and his support for Boris Johnson

I agree with you. It’s more the recent headlines that the public have reacted to

MarshaBradyo · 08/07/2022 22:32

jcyclops · 08/07/2022 21:22

Labour have only ever had white men as leaders, and as far as I can see have only ever had one non-white leadership candidate (Diane Abbott - who came last in 2010)

Both Labour and Conservatives have had jewish leaders, including one each this century, but the only PM was the Conservative Disraeli.

The SNP and Lib Dems have both appointed female leaders and the Conservatives have had two women leaders who both became PM. In recent times they have also had the youngest leader (Hague) and the youngest PM (Cameron).

5 of the 12 favourites to become Conservative leader this time are non-white.

The worst major party for ethnic diversity is the SNP. After the 2019 general election, every single one of their 48 MPs is white, and in fact every candidate in the election was white.

Interesting overview - it’s good to see a diverse leadership contest

Crimeismymiddlename · 08/07/2022 22:34

Not a Tory but they are more diverse than Labour, who have yet to have a female leader. Personally feel that Labour talks the talk but is far more closed off than it’s opposition.
People like Rishi and without furlough my life would be actually a lot different, and a lot shiter, I don’t think I am the only one who is truly thankful. Unless he does something truly awful he has a great chance.

Cyclebabble · 08/07/2022 22:35

No it wasn’t me you asked. However the Tories have been led by a person of Jewish heritage and of course a woman. Currently it has more openly gay MPs than the Labour Party and it has a large number of South Asian and Black MPs. It still has problems with race as does the rest of UK society. However, if we judge other parties agains the Tory benchmark, it is very clear that Labour has real issues with anti-semitism. For many on the left, this form of racism is quite acceptable. Starmer to his credit is looking to sort this, but is only part way though this journey.

StoneofDestiny · 08/07/2022 22:36

It's the integrity, ability, compassion and trustworthiness of the candidates that is important. Colour and gender are irrelevant. People talking on here about the Tory Party having the first woman PM - hell, look were that got us!

Sunak is just like Johnson - a law breaker and another Tory PM prepared to support Johnson's lies. His integrity on many levels is questionable - just like the rest of this government.

They supported the lawbreaking, supported Johnson's 'Peppa Pig' routine, his corrupt cronyism, his refusal to be questioned on TV, his deceit over Brexit and in NI.

The problem with his colour is that he is Blue!

offyoufuckcuntychops · 08/07/2022 22:39

The Conservative party are ruthless, and they will choose whoever they think will win an election - white, black, female, male, Jewish, Muslim, a donkey, whoever. They are actually quite sensible in this regard. The other parties are so busy falling over themselves to talk the woke talk that they end up with yet another middle aged white man at the helm.

etopp · 08/07/2022 22:41

FWIW, furlough was a complete fucking disaster for anyone who worked in the arts on a zero hours/freelance/self-employed basis. It meant that everyone could sit at home earning for doing nothing, while other people floundered. Sunak has much to answer for.

Tillsforthrills · 08/07/2022 22:44

ginsterloo · 08/07/2022 22:16

So to sum up, the British Prime Minister should have been brought up penniless by a single mother or father, gone to a state school, scrimped and saved through life just so they can empathise with a lot of the population. I personally don't care whether the PM has £1 in the bank or is a billionaire as long as they govern the country in an appropriate fashion, representing the country abroad in an appropriate fashion, being a leader, being someone people look up to and inspires people. And sorting out this mess of a country.

Rishi is extremely privileged and rich even by Tory standards.

He’s made MC families take the brunt of tax increases. Supported a corrupt PM and his wife’s dodgy taxes.

So your comment seems rather unhinged when people are merely asking for someone who understands the concerns of the public they’re serving which Rishi has not.

SquareVertical · 08/07/2022 22:44

I was wondering as well whether the wider electorate would be ready for a non-white or Muslim PM. As far as the Tory party is concerned, they will favour the one who will keep their privileged status intact. After all, money knows no colour. For all those who say the Tories have had more women, ethnic minorities etc, it's what you do once you get to a position of power, and their policies for the wider populace have been appalling. Rishi shouldn't even be standing after he broke the law. And this multi-multi millionaire believes that people should live within their means so I doubt he's going to do much to ease the pain of the cost of living crisis.

DownNative · 08/07/2022 22:44

RedWingBoots · 08/07/2022 19:07

Lib Dems had a woman leader. The one before Ed Davey, their current leader.

She was gotten rid off over a local issue in her constituency in 2019. If you are a Lib Dem MP it really pays to not piss your constituents off.

Jo Swinson quit as Lib Dem leader after losing her seat to the SNP in 2019. Her credibility was shot to pieces so she had to step down.

phishy · 08/07/2022 22:45

I can’t stand the lot of them but I imagine an Asian PM would be quite a coup for the Tories. They will dine on it for decades.

EmmaH2022 · 08/07/2022 22:46

I feel how James feels about the Kimono Killer and his tweet. Ugh.

twitter.com/JamesCleverly/status/1545510936328511489

StoneofDestiny · 08/07/2022 22:49

However the Tories have been led by a person of Jewish heritage and of course a woman. Currently it has more openly gay MPs than the Labour Party and it has a large number of South Asian and Black MPs. It still has problems with race as does the rest of UK society. However, if we judge other parties agains the Tory benchmark, it is very clear that Labour has real issues with anti-semitism. For many on the left, this form of racism is quite acceptable. Starmer to his credit is looking to sort this, but is only part way though this journey

Its odd then how this 'diverse' Tory Party elected as their leader a PM who is wholly misogynistic, refers to gay men as 'tank topped bum boys' , described Muslim women as 'pillar boxes' and black peoples having 'water melon smiles' and said 'voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts'. He even measured the appeal of his own female MP's on a 'Tottymeter'. As for his purely racist attitudes to Scots - well documented.

A grotesque man empowered by grotesque followers. His views and track record of dishonesty was known well before he was PM.