To only just realise it was Peter Andre in the wrong not Katie P!

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This is a random thread..if you arent interested in Katie and Peter please dont bother reading...
Just had a binge watch of old episodes of Americas Next top model on youtube and it showed me Katie and Peter stateside - their opd documentary..I used to watch it and love them as a couple together. Was gutted when they split but like everyone else at the time I remember thinking how awful Katie was and how she was in the wrong during that infamous massive row they had in that shop in LA.
It pops back up and so I watch it again, near in mind this is after years of me seeing ir. And cant believe it! Its like a brand new argument - completely saw this in a different way.
Pete was the onein the wrong, not Katie. In fact he was awful, actually abusive? Swearing at her calling her a f*king b**ch, "a cow", "you think youre gonna get away with it?"
Bleeding hell, if this isnt abusive I dont know what is! Im more in shock because I remember all the stick KP got, the hate campaign and the "team Pete" . He deserves a medal and all that bollocks.
It just doesnt make sense. How can anyone see it for what itnwas? In fact watching it again, KP hardly spoke..it was all Pete winding her uo, qlmost goading her and then blasting her when she bit back at him..Im just really shocked I guess....😶 makes you wonder how things can get so easily misrepresented.
What does everyone think?

I have always thought Peter Andre is a horrible little man and you can see right through his 'goofy' act because he tries too hard to be nice. Does anyone remember '60 second makeover' when he tried to be 'Norman Wisdom'. YUK !

Kate picks men who abuse her. She is one of life's victims. She undervalues herself and thinks she needs some guy to make her confident and special, when she is special all on her own.

Look how Andre repaid her when she rescued him from near obscurity.

Maybe because she has so many blokes ?

It was basically a backhand dig at KP for not breastfeeding. Gushing about how Emily was thing to do it all properly.

The baby wasn't born yet and it was a huge amount of pressure to put on his new wife, all in the name of having a pop at his old one.

I always thought Peter came across as a cocky big head "ohh everyone look at me and my family and my mansion, I can sing" he always loved being the centre of attention people taking photos just look at k&p the next chapter, he was definitely abusive to her.

That's funny you say that because I remember her talking to him like he was a piece of shit on a chat show once, and she used to order him round like he was a servant

The interview I saw was with Holly & Phil IIRC. On that one, there was obviously marital tension, which was inappropriate to play out in public. What I did think was disgusting was him sharing really personal information to shame her. I know she is her own worst enemy, but he was being a cunt, and I've thought if he can do that in public, in private one can only imagine.

The above bolded post is victim blaming IMO.

He's such a creep. Imagine being married to a man who has made a career out of divorcing his former wife, continually sniping at himself and making himself out to be a victim years later.

What else does he do to earn money? Does he have any other income streams?

He had a career in the 90s hence why he was on I'm a Celeb. Now he is appearing in the west end. So you can't say he made his career from divorcing KP.

I also ask who is the one from that marriage who has over 12 criminal convictions? Who is the one who now has full custody of the children? Who is the one who compared to KP has remained silent on a lot of what she has spouted over the years, including online attacks on his wife (while campaigning against online trolls, oh the irony).

Who is the one who publicly compared one of her ex husbands to Jimmy Saville on her Instagram with unfounded allegations that the police have taken no action on?

All these 'reality' shows are heavily edited. It's whatever the producers want you to see. I haven't watched so can't comment on the content, but looking at their lives post divorce, not sure Katie is the one I'd be rooting for.

Not only that, but they were frequently planned out in advance and situations were highly engineered. They were usually more like semi-improvised drama, with absolutely no regard for the wellbeing of the cast.

I'm so glad it's at the end. 20 years of exploitative shite.

I love Katie, my eldest son is very similar to Harvey and I love their relationship .

I’ve seen several clips of him being an arse to her although I doubt she wasn’t entirely blameless. I went off him completely when he got together with Emily, she’s a lot younger than him and she was very young when they got together.

however I didn’t know them personally, and obviously alot of what is printed is utter rubbish.

ItsSnowJokes He had a career in the 90s hence why he was on I'm a Celeb. Now he is appearing in the west end. So you can't say he made his career from divorcing KP.

His career was dead before he resurrected it by marrying KP. I can never understand, given all his remarks about how he hated what she did for a living, her lifestyle, her appearance, etc, why he married her. Its not as if she hid what she was. I would be very suspicous that he tagged himself to her considerable fame because he knew that would boost his career, and then ditched her when he no longer needed her for that.

Poor Emily. I don't think anyone really envies you your choice of husband.

I've never liked PA - I'm old enough to remember the posing and overly sexualised version of the late 90's, as well as the need to get his "career" back on track in the mid 00's. I've always felt he put on a false persona and behind closed doors, was probably an arsehole - but I have nothing to corroborate that and haven't seen any of the docuseries with him and KP because it's never been my thing.

I do however come from experience where I've been emotionally abused for years and subsequently painted as the terrible, unstable and irrational one when my ex swanned off with a new girlfriend and portrays this idyllic, perfect new relationship/ability to suddenly be a parent to our son, all the while continuing to abuse me behind closed doors via the only method of communication he has left open to him. It's fucking tough and KP has endured years of this from PA - both within the relationship, the PR stunt afterwards and continued thinly veiled comments about her since.

My thoughts on KP are mixed - I think she has very clear mental health problems stemming from a number of traumatic experiences, but this doesn't exonerate her very public, very clear abusive tendencies to other people - her ex (revenge porn), shouting at school gates, harassing an ex girlfriend of her partner. Mental health isn't a competition as to who has it worse - I've had pretty bad breakdowns in the past but have always been able to put my child first in spite of how I'm feeling. It's hard not to judge the repeated mistakes KP has made despite the abundance of mental health resources she has had at her disposal.

This. There should be a special place in Hell reserved for men who piggyback on their partner's careers, then berate and abuse them for it. Misogynism (sp) at its worst.

PollyDarton1

Agree with this but do not forget she is in the public eye all of the time. Being watched constantly must be draining

Yes I’ve read about them, it’s quite interesting. Not KP but reality shows altogether. I talk to DD10 about it a lot as she loves reality dance shows like Dance Moms, cheer shows etc. I often tell her all about how producers will tell people to say something really goading and then the cast aren’t allowed to explain that they’ve said it because of the producers, and how it’s done to stir up drama and ‘excitement.’ I do think reality shows and ‘celeb’ culture can be so toxic.

There was a thread not too long ago on here about Big Brother too. How damaging that was in the beginning before it became a bunch of influencers in there. Of course it’s now equally damaging but in a different way.

I’ve always like KP and had watched her tv shows from the beginning but sadly it’s pretty obvious she has many, many issues which haven’t been addressed and she is desperate for a loving relationship. Her friends on the shows often tell her that she needs an older, more ‘ordinary’ man but she is obviously drawn (because of her past traumas) to toxic, narcissistic, fame hungry men. Her family and friends see it, we all see it but often with people who have these traumas from early life, she just can not.
I really feel for her, she has had such a shit time, her life really is a car crash at times. But no one can take away the connection she has with lovely Harvey, you can tell he trusts her implicitly.
I always thought I liked Peter and everyone says he is super nice but there is something ‘off’ about him which you can’t quite put your finger on, I mean, can anyone really be that lovely and friendly all the time?
He is obviously very well managed, Claire comes across as an absolute pit bull of a woman!
We obviously only see what is edited, most of us don’t know these people in real life but what I do hope is for Katie to find some kind of peace, eventually meet someone who will love her for her and she can live her life out (hopefully), away from the public eye and to realise that her sexuality and the way she looks/dresses does not make her who she is, that she is more than that.

Gonna** I don't doubt that in a one to one, away from the camera situation she isn't lovely and nice to chat to.

I just think that when you have kids and make decisions knowing your actions could hurt or kill another person the buck stops with you and others shouldn't excuse future bad decisions. You make it your life's mission to step away from the cameras and get better for the sake of your kids.

Loving your kids isn't enough.

She can chose to leave the public eye at any time. It's not like the paparazzi are hunting her down anymore. All the pictures you see in the papers are mainly from one picture agency "backgrid" this is an agency where the celeb either takes the pictures themselves or they take a cut of the photographers earnings from the pictures if they don't take them themselves. All the pictures are highly edited and filtered (you can tell from how she looks in them, compared to real pap shots) and she has final say on the pictures sold. She is choosing this life, she cannot live without the fame (or infamy now) and she could say no at any time but she doesn't.

I agree with you OP. I didn't watch it at the time but remember the press stories that were all Team Pete and how 'awful' Katie was. Have gone back and watched some of it and you're spot on. It very much shows that Pete was a domestic abuser, his behaviour and the way he spoke to her was despicable.
They weren't good together.

Katie is a mess right now and has been for a few years with what appears to be a serious alcohol problem. People are sympathetic to Johnny Depps drug and alcohol problem and can see he was also a victim of DA but can't see same for Katie Price. It's not unusual for a DA victim to use alcohol to numb and cope. Her mother is terminally ill and Katie has been lambasted in the press. She seems desperate to escape her troubles and for love - I hope she gets proper useful help.

I don't think any of us can truly know what went on behind the scenes but Peter Andre certainly doesn't come across well and that is how he acted in public on camera.

I remember watching this and found Peter to be very arrogant especially at the beginning the way he spoke about Matt Willis. Extremely unprofessional as the interviewer.

@cuttedupdress

Bleeding hell! I never knew this! Absolutely vile. I need to find this episode!

I don't think she knows how to live a life that isn't public.

She's a deeply unhappy woman and her behaviour is all about the next fix of feeling happy.

It's like any addiction. She can do it when supported but without the support she relapses. In her case now it's immediately.

I have no idea why Peter has so many fans, he is sleazy. I do not like him as a person at all. I think he is a better father than he is a husband but he should be living with his own responsibility for what he did to Katie in terms of emotional abuse, when she clearly had post natal depression. I think Emily has stronger boundaries from having a more stable upbringing and Katie had a lot of childhood trauma, and probably doesn’t tolerate his shit behaviour. Katie is not really sure what love actually is and clings onto men who she thinks will give her a fantasy happily ever after. That doesn’t excuse her own decisions to break the law and neglect her children

does no one seem to care that KP has a conviction for harrassment of another woman - her ex husbands new girlfriend and is repeatedly breaching the restraining order and continuing to harrass her?

I used to like them both but KP has just gone off the rails. PA may have done very well out of his nice guy persona but i imagine work wise he is in a long run of pleasant men on tv (Rylan/Craig phillips/Dermot) who can be relied upon to turn up, be pleasant and grateful for the work and just get on with a job without much drama - a safe pair of hands.