To only just realise it was Peter Andre in the wrong not Katie P!

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This is a random thread..if you arent interested in Katie and Peter please dont bother reading...
Just had a binge watch of old episodes of Americas Next top model on youtube and it showed me Katie and Peter stateside - their opd documentary..I used to watch it and love them as a couple together. Was gutted when they split but like everyone else at the time I remember thinking how awful Katie was and how she was in the wrong during that infamous massive row they had in that shop in LA.
It pops back up and so I watch it again, near in mind this is after years of me seeing ir. And cant believe it! Its like a brand new argument - completely saw this in a different way.
Pete was the onein the wrong, not Katie. In fact he was awful, actually abusive? Swearing at her calling her a f*king b**ch, "a cow", "you think youre gonna get away with it?"
Bleeding hell, if this isnt abusive I dont know what is! Im more in shock because I remember all the stick KP got, the hate campaign and the "team Pete" . He deserves a medal and all that bollocks.
It just doesnt make sense. How can anyone see it for what itnwas? In fact watching it again, KP hardly spoke..it was all Pete winding her uo, qlmost goading her and then blasting her when she bit back at him..Im just really shocked I guess....😶 makes you wonder how things can get so easily misrepresented.
What does everyone think?

Harvey was the last to go as he is clearly more difficult to place and has no father to take him

that is categorically untrue.

I didn't really watch the show, but I've never fallen for his Nice Guy Peter act.

He was always going to go to residential I don’t think he’s been removed from her, no. The others she agreed to live with their dads near their schools when she was caught on tape taking cocaine and it all blew up in the media. She was getting herself sorted out. She then was seeing them frequently until she got involved with her absolutely awful boyfriend and now she has very restricted access after a serious of very serious events

His father paid Katie Price's mum a minimum of 35k a year to be his carer, as he was mostly brought up by his Nan when he was younger. Then nannies. All this bullshit of she has brought him up singlehandedly is so wrong. She has never brought him up on her own.

She buggered off when he was just weeks old for weeks on end so she could go to the playboy mansion.

Whatever Katie Price is or isn't. It doesn't take away the fact that Peter Andre is a lying, manipulative, abusing creep.

She might be a mess, a druggie, a criminal and more but she took 100% of the blame and the public hatred and misogyny while Peter Andre carved himself a nice little career as a saint all off the back of Katie Price and her misery.

He used her to get his name back in the public eye, he gladly contributed to her downfall and now he has his young wife and their squeaky clean saintly image but he is a horrible, creepy, spiteful little man.

If you rewatch the episodes of her with the kids, she is clearly different with Harvey. Much more gentle and affectionate. She actually seems at peace when shes just sat with Harvey..like a different woman.

Its a bit unnerving when Princess is having a tantrum and banging her jead on the floor - you just see Katie laughing it off whereas when Harvey starts to have one of his meltdowns she takes his arms and hugs him, whispers to him..amazing mum to Harvey..I couldnt imagine what it would be like to have a child with so many complex needs. Hasnt anyone thought thats one the main reasons shes so overtly depressed/manic? I suppoose years of that would take its toll on you.
I know I would not cope at all.

I think they're both awful. I really do feel sorry for their children, being rolled out and used to generate sympathy and likes. Pete doing his perfect dad and husband routine and Katie encouraging Princess to be a mini me, then using Harvey for sympathy when she fucks up AGAIN.

Not entirely true.
I worked with her father, he introduced them at her request. He did not encourage the relationship.

You can't trust anything that's filmed - people put on an act for the cameras. What is clear is she a very troubled woman now.

It's the same with her most recent husband Kieran Hayler, he used her for money and to make a name for himself. Cheated on her then shacked up with one of the school mums. Now they're all smug z lost celebs again off the back of KP.

I'm not condoning KPs actions. She could have some really well for herself but instead she's home from disaster to disaster.

But I think pretty much all of her boyfriends and husbands have used her and the way they then get treated like they can do no wrong is just sickening.

Apologies, previous answer was in response to this

I think she's neurodiverse herself. It would explain a lot of her behaviours, relationship issues and impulsiveness . She needs help but won't take any as there will be full denial of a problem existing it's always someone else's fault and likely she'll feel insulted at the suggestion - it's difficult to watch someone you love self destruct I've been there and lived that life.

I agree PA is a dick but they prob bought the worst out in each other.

Which bit?

Dwight Yorke clearly doesn't want him. So he has no father to take him.

The two youngest are permanently with their father
Princess and Junior are permanently with their father
Harvey is now in residential collage.

Clearly it is an assumption but SS wouldn't leave a very vulnerable adult in the care of someone whose children have been removed surely? Katie may have had him placed there, but she is very clearly not in a fit state at the moment to care for him.

I think it's clear KP has many issues which stem from her early career if basically being a sex object and abuse she experienced. This can - but won't always - massively influence a persons life trajectory.

But her driving offences are unforgivable and it's not acceptable to just shrug it off as being part of her issues. Otherwise where does it stop? Because if you follow this to it's natural conclusion, if god forbid she ever badly injures or kill's someone then you have to excuse that too.

It's really not right and she needs to be accountable

But he had 24/7 carers when he was living in the community, so she was not having to look after him alone. He lived independently from her for a little while but it’s not an enriched life for him like it is in residential where he can be around other people and learn life skills. Residential is not a punishment for Katie or Harvey it’s the right place for him to be

All of it.

Harvey was at a weekday residential SEN school for years and was always going to go into a supported living/residential college set up once he became an adult.

It's a very, very low bar isn't it?

Yes it is.

I'm a bit older than some here (50) but recall when Katie was Jordan and had interviews and research done as to when she started out as a teenager glamour modelling. There was someone who'd raped her I believe as a teenager and then afterwards it came out she was sexually abused at 7. She said that both of this led to her dressing provocatively and becoming a glamour model. However, I do wonder at her parents knowing about this or not and if so encouraging her to dress provocatively and become a glamour model. (repeating myself a bit there!).

I think Katie needs lots of therapy and even then, she's gone so far down the route of drama, bad publicity etc that I don't think she'd know how behave normally and not attention seek.

A friend of mine met her years ago in a quiet gay pub on the Brighton Road (when she was famous as Jordan) and said she was lovely, nothing like her loud persona.

Me neither! I recall when he first came on the music scene and he seemed quite vain and selfish. Might have even met him once when I was out!

But those episodes are edited television. And a profoundly disabled child in meltdown is nothing like a NT toddler having a wobbly. Making reductive comments like ‘she loves Harvey better than the others’ is reductive and based on edited footage and a limited view of a family you really know little about.

I remember the exact moment it dawned on me that he's a cunt.

Emily was pregnant and he was doing an interview. He said how much he was looking forward to experiencing breastfeeding.

He said it on such a way it was obvious he was trying to have a pop at KP. He managed to put a huge amount of pressure on Emily at the same time.

Orange twat.

Two sides to every argument. Can't believe how many are so quick to takes sides when the have only seen an edited version of an arguement.

He wanted to experience breastfeeding?

Her mum was the one that pushed her into page 3. She then tried the same with her sister. She basically pimped her out from a young age. The mum needs to take a lot of the responsibility of how she has turned out. However, KP needs to take a lot of the responsibility. She has had weeks and weeks (allegedly) in the Priory. Is able to have top notch treatment for her issues and yet nothing ever changes. She doesn't want to change, she loves and lives for the drama. She cannot stand to not see herself in the media. She is entirely selfish and doesn't care who she may hurt (as evidenced by the amount of driving convictions she has) as long as she gets to do what she wants.