To only just realise it was Peter Andre in the wrong not Katie P!

[Macbeth8]

This is a random thread..if you arent interested in Katie and Peter please dont bother reading...
Just had a binge watch of old episodes of Americas Next top model on youtube and it showed me Katie and Peter stateside - their opd documentary..I used to watch it and love them as a couple together. Was gutted when they split but like everyone else at the time I remember thinking how awful Katie was and how she was in the wrong during that infamous massive row they had in that shop in LA.
It pops back up and so I watch it again, near in mind this is after years of me seeing ir. And cant believe it! Its like a brand new argument - completely saw this in a different way.
Pete was the onein the wrong, not Katie. In fact he was awful, actually abusive? Swearing at her calling her a f*king b**ch, "a cow", "you think youre gonna get away with it?"
Bleeding hell, if this isnt abusive I dont know what is! Im more in shock because I remember all the stick KP got, the hate campaign and the "team Pete" . He deserves a medal and all that bollocks.
It just doesnt make sense. How can anyone see it for what itnwas? In fact watching it again, KP hardly spoke..it was all Pete winding her uo, qlmost goading her and then blasting her when she bit back at him..Im just really shocked I guess....😶 makes you wonder how things can get so easily misrepresented.
What does everyone think?

They were both abusive to each other.

It was a highly toxic relationship.

They've both taken very different public paths since and none of us know the full truth as we weren't there but PA has seemingly taken the better path.

For me, the issue is: on those reality programmes, the way she spoke to him was disgusting- like he was a piece of shit on her shoe so actually, I can understand why the camera may have caught him talking to her rudely. It was MUTUAL- they were both awful to each other. She also used to flirt and simper up to other guys on those programmes which I can understand why he felt was disrespectful. So, even if you are only referring to that particular TV show, it still doesnt hold water that PA was the devil and she was some kind of angel. They BOTH came across as vile to each other.

I think they are both toxic. However PA is more intelligent and has a better PR team so Is therefore more equipped to hide his true nature.

Actually, during the reality shows, they both had the same management team- Claire Powell's company. KP then slanderously accused Peter of having an affair with her which she had to then pay damages to him in court for it not being true.

When they were together, KP was at the peak of her success. Love her or hate her, at that time she was still making money modelling despite no longer posing nude, was building her brand and successfully became a millionaire. Meanwhile he was a pop star from the 90s who was famous for 1 song and had been out of the limelight for a number of years.

KP was known for being outspoken, tacky and brash, he knew this when they met. He was a nobody when they got together, yet managed to revive a career and public persona off the back of her success. From the videos he put her down, took the piss and acted disgusted by her glamour modelling days. I'm sure she gave as good as she got, but she's not claimed to ever be "Ms nicegirl," whereas he came out of it as though he was some massive victim .

PA would still be known as a 90s one hit wonder had he not got with KP but I doubt he would ever admit that!

Re-writing history a bit there, @Rosewaterblossom . Katie's career had long since peaked and was sliding south fast at the time of IACGMOOH. Why else would she have gone on, if not to try to resurrect and re-invent herself?
What followed was the TWO of them building a brand based on their relationship and family life TOGETHER. Neither one of them could have done it without the other and they were both equal partners in it going forward, despite her trying to make out she was the main headliner (which was what that row in the segway shop was all about).

@mintybobs im talking about now! He still has that management team and she doesn't. It has become more and more apparent what an absolute car crash she is over the last few years, while he is still portrayed as St Peter!

Her career was far from over when she met him. No, she wasn't at the top of her glamour modelling days, but there was certainly still alot of interest in her, she had her own fly on the wall reality series both before she met Pete in 2004 and after they split. He on the other hand had 1 song in 1996, made a couple of follow up singles around the same time then disappeared. By the time he entered the jungle he hadn't been heard of for many years, which for a pop "star" may as well be a lifetime. He didn't really have the career background substance to lift KP any higher at that point.

She was going nowhere but down without hitching her ride to someone else's wagon. Enter ... Pete.

Nope- their success in reality TV was due to them as a COUPLE. Katie had solo reality tv projects before with very limited success. The reality TV show with both of them and the OK magazine shoots with both of them (and the kids) is what propelled them into fairly major fame. She benefitted from him just as much as he did from her. Its just not accurate to suggest otherwise because if her solo projects were THAT lucrative, she wouldnt have marketed their relationship so heavily. Her book sales also took off when they were about them as a couple.

Forgot to say, their reality show together was based on the success that jessica simpson and nick lachey had

I'm pretty sure if I had to live with her, I'd probably come across as horrible and toxic myself!

Would you go on TV to tell the world that her back passage was so loose and gapey that she couldn't feel your penis inside it?

i may well comment that if she had publicly said that i was so small she can't feel me (which may be said but not broadcast)

Katie Price never said this about Pete though? That was Rebekah Vardy

Anyhow, I am the op and the thread was made not to discredit Peter at all - I used to be a big fan of his and still follow on him on Instagram. My ex was a Greek cypriot so its nice to see those common traits in him.
It was more of a revelation of may be seeing things so differently or classic media brainwashing back then. Where I like many others automatically went with the crowd that Katie was the devil and all the "Pete the angel saga!"
However, revisiting it so many years later with my own bad relationship experiences behind me I saw it for what it was - Peter being the abusive one. Like I stated, I think the old, classic saying comes in to mind to know it you've got to have been through it.

I can't remember what KP was doing when she went on I'm a celeb but nearly everyone who goes on it, has usually passed the (first or only) peak of their career, because in reality anyone at the height of their fame would probably not have 3 weeks spare in their schedule or would earn better money from other gigs.
You don't get many A listers on it because they are busy with their current career. However lots of people have had better offers and more opportunities after being on it

I watched this kind of shite when they were on I'm a celeb (I was young!) and I remember everyone being completely shocked KP would go on it because she was much more successful and current than anyone else on it. She certainly wasn't 'made' by the show, she already had a massive fan base.
Despite all of the above, I think she's bloody appalling am definitely no longer a fan of hers.

Celebrity Big Brother or whatever was always a sign that your career was flagging or dead. Max Clifford said that nobody with a career should ever go on it. He actually said that he didn't know who had told Jade Goody to go on CBB. Say what you will about her, at that point her career was going well - lots of lucrative offers, perfume line etc etc - and she had nothing to gain and everything to lose. As we all now know.

A couple of people did well out of that sort of thing, like Myleene Klass in the jungle, but they tended to be at the very early stage of reality TV, before it was quite as tasteless as it eventually (although I'm A Celebrity was especially lowbrow from the start). Like Klass, they also tended to have an actual talent and plans for projects, so it was more like advertising for something upcoming than "remember me, I'm still here, someone give me work!"

I think Paul from S Club 7 said he tried to get some "celebrity" reality TV gigs but they said he wasn't famous enough (!!!). Shame they didn't say that to Jo O'Meara.

Actually if anything Katie made Peter appear good in bed! As she complained he took too long in bed which is necessarily a good thing (or so I hear 😅) this was on Jonathan Ross I think.

Think she said something like "half a bloody hour" I mean if anything thay made him look really good and I recall someone on the chat show saying the same thing.
She also compared his anatomy to a sky remote control. 😳

She thought he was gorgeous and not being funny but when they were seen publically together at events he would look really small next to her (in height) she would look all glam, fantastic long legs and all but dont ever recall her putting him down?

"Anyhow, I am the op and the thread was made not to discredit Peter at all"

"I saw it for what it was - Peter being the abusive one."

Quite how do these two sentences marry up?

dont ever recall her putting him down?

Then you clearly never watched their reality series- thats literally all she did the entire programme lol

@Macbeth8 it wasn’t on the Jonathan Ross show. Can I ask why you are defending KP, I mean the women is hardly a good role model.

2 different junior pr 'execs' manning the KP positive push machine?!

How is pointing out that it was Peter being abusive and not Katie in that particular clip ruining his reputation?
This was years and years ago thats why I simply posted about it. How perceptions can change.
At the time that I was aired I was 19 with not much life experience

Its fact. He was abusive in that clip..Ive rewatched it again and still have that opinion. I dont know anyone cannot..hes a carbon copy of my dp in that scene whos a abusive and narcissistic.
Other clips that have been posted also show him in this way too.

My actual narrative?
I dont dislike Peter and I dont dislike Katie. Fact.
I follow both of them on Instagram as I think they're interesting people.
They just were obviously a toxic couple.

And sorry I meant I can't recall Katie ever putting him down lookswise. If thats the case please link me?
I always remember her commenting he was gorgeous? Yeah she made digs about him and rolled eyes when he spoke but cant recall her saying anything derogative about his looks?

I dont dislike Peter and I dont dislike Katie. Fact
I follow both of them on Instagram as I think they're interesting people.
They're really not.
They just were obviously a toxic couple.
Every relationship KP had was toxic including the current one.