To think this is a complete joke and want to abolish the monarchy

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The Royal Family cost taxpayers £102.4million last year.

As the nation struggled in the cost of living crisis, spending on the royals rose £15million – 17%.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/record-100m-taxpayer-payout-royal-27360820

Ireland is a good example. A "royal family" belongs to the history books Absolute madness that we pander to this one family and give them so much privilege.

"MissFancyDay · 30/06/2022 20:56
They give millions of people a massive amount of pleasure, my very elderly mother being one of them. But that would only probably be true of the oldest half of society, and their views don't count."

This is such utter rubbish. Actually, the older half of society views are represented very well. I despair for this country, with foolish posters like this. I utterly despair.

I'd love to know what pleasure they can possibly give, unless people get pleasure from seeing an extremely wealthy family living lives of privilege and indulgence paid for by us. I should imagine it's the last thing people want to look at when they're struggling to survive the huge rising cost of living.

Where Is Andrew these days ?

Royals of other countries want to talk to other royals.
Presidents and the rich of other countries want to associate with their 'own'.

If you got rid of them they are hardly going to do business with you.
So no business. Keep them.

I have no love for the Royal Family - they're strangers to me and what is known of them throughout history, immoral.

However, they bring in the business, glorified entertainers.

They’re a bunch of parasites.

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I think they should be funded by public subscription, a royal GoFundMe. Any loyal subjects who want to can chip in a few quid and the rest of us can allocate our funds differently.

You must also consider the financial benefit to taxpayers from the Crown Estate, which made £312 million profit in 2021 - which is paid straight to the Exchequer ( minus the 15 - 25% retained for the Sovereign Grant ).

But the Crown Estates are public funds. They doesn't belong to the Windsors. So your point is irrelevant to this discussion

I hrtft so apologies if that has already been covered.

Many don’t seem to understand the difference between an executive presidency, such as France, the US have, and a non executive one as Ireland have, which would be my preferred option.

Exactly. A lot of ignorance on this point.

Agree with this, and would be quite happy to see a president or other option.
As well as a better thought out second chamber, and an end to first past the post voting system for the house of commons.

Of course we'd still do business.We hardly need a family of taxpayer funded toffs to trade with other countries. We'd probably do better without them. What qualifications do they have?

Maybe the 1000 yr monarch might be a tad more valuable than an MBA or a PPE from Oxford.😂
To follow your point to the nth degree I think we should get rid of ALL people living off the taxpayer.

Maybe the 1000 yr monarch might be a tad more valuable than an MBA or a PPE from Oxford

Objectively why though? What inbuilt skills come from falling out of the right vagina?

www.nobility-association.com/monarchyhistory.htm

It's just how societies have been organized, hierarchies are common even in business. It's fundamental to human existence.
I don't have an issue with it.

It's just how societies have been organized, hierarchies are common even in business.

Theres no reason whatsoever they'd have to be monarchical hierarchies. Some of the most economically advanced countries in the world don't have monarchies, they have world leading businesses and business leaders.

Talk about scraping the barrel

I think we need to look at how much it cost and how much revenue we get off them

On balance they will cost us nowhere near £102 million.

But there's no actual quantifiable evidence they make us any money at all.

Tourism and there tax returns at a guess .
One of the royals did a local vist near us the town was packed out shop cafes pubs full and chargeable carpers full due to royal visit brought a lot of money into our town that day

Times that by at least three. If we didn't have them the entire revenue would come to us.

Tourism and there tax returns at a guess

That's not quantifiable evidence.

One of the royals did a local vist near us the town was packed out shop cafes pubs full and chargeable carpers full due to royal visit brought a lot of money into our town that day

But that's just one tiny piece of the puzzle. People may have spent that weekend, but cut back for the next few. Spending may have been up in your town but down in all surrounding towns. Would a minor celeb (who the tax payer doesn't fund) have had the same effect?

It's not helpful to take one thing in isolation, you need to look at the bigger picture .

Tarasharp - Well they obviously do give pleasure to a lot of people. You only have to see the thousands who were outside Buckingham Palace and lining the mall during the Jubilee celebrations to realise that they are still popular. The same with royal weddings.

They have made sure their finances are protected from public scrutiny....We don't know their true finances at all.....and they're exempt from the Freedom of Information Act, so they can carry out their roles in almost total secrecy. The queen made a private deal with John Major that made them free of inheritance tax, so she could inherit her mother's assets worth £70 million.

They don't have to account for any private gifts, holidays, the use of castles, private jets etc....that a politician would have to. They ensure that rules that apply to everyone else don't apply to them..

. The Duke of Edinburgh still received an annual allowance of £359.000 even after he retired.from being a "working royal". 🤔 I'd love to know how much Andrew gets......

It's corrupt and undemocratic. We'd be better off without them.

It is difficult to work out how much they bring in but they do bring money in
the NHS looses an estimated 5.7 billion due to fraud
benefit fraud cost an estimated 65.2 million

the royal family c oh st a fraction of this I’d sooner stamp out the above 2 first

It is difficult to work out how much they bring in but they do bring money in

Not really a rock solid argument though is it?

the royal family c oh st a fraction of this I’d sooner stamp out the above 2 first

Why would it be either or? Do them all. The royals take benefit fraud into the stratosphere after all, so it's all the same issue really.