To think this is a complete joke and want to abolish the monarchy

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The Royal Family cost taxpayers £102.4million last year.

As the nation struggled in the cost of living crisis, spending on the royals rose £15million – 17%.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/record-100m-taxpayer-payout-royal-27360820

Yeah charles and andy are great at the ole soft power, they really are

That £102 million cost is a drop in the ocean to the billions of money that our Royal Family raise and attract into the country

Utter nonsense. The tourist will come regardless of royals. Kew Gardens, V&A, Tate Modern, Chester Zoo, Natural History Museum all rank higher than any Royal venue (to name a few).
Falling over foreign tourists in attractive locations that have no royals - Lake District, Cotswolds, Scottish Highlands ........etc
People visit Stately Homes, Castles and Palaces regardless of occupants or none - just as we visit Versailles for example that has long been devoid of Royals.

We are being sold a myth that the royals cost us taxpayers pennies.
The newspapers are being fed stories daily promoting the next royals to 'please the public' - suddenly Sophie, Edward, Beatrice and Eugenie are front of every news feed. (How did we manage without them 🤷‍♀️).
Suddenly William and Kate want to appear 'more ordinary' so we approve of them more. They will do without us curtsying to them 😂. Seriously - couldn't make it up.

Time to ditch them and their countless 'advisors' and servants- plenty of jobs in catering and service agencies unfilled.

I want genuine Public Services that are well supplied and well equipped and with well paid employees. They will secure my health, safety and well-being far more than any Royal will.

They give millions of people a massive amount of pleasure, my very elderly mother being one of them

so does the TV. Costs much less.

I visited London during the jubilee ( not on purpose) and it looked so regal and well done, I can see why people like to see that

lots of countries have "pomp" but no royals. Lots of changing of the guards stuff etc - because they still have armies.
Rock up at the Edinburgh Tattoo - plenty of it and no royals in sight.

As for Britains weather - many tourist come here from much warmer countries for the historical sites - castles, stately homes, ancient thatched villages, stunning scenery .........not to see the royals.
Seriously - it they want to watch 'Kates latest outfit' on parade - let them get their own monarchy and pay for it all.

I remember ( hopefully someone else will too) when the Queen had to have chats with her mum about her mum's gross overspending. Not once, but a few times... all in the news.

I might be wrong, here, but I have vague memories of The Queen Mum's annual florists' bill being a six figure sum.She insisted on them at both her Scottish castles , despite spending hardly anytime there

She left millions of pounds of debt on her death.

Why do we think Prince Philips will was kept secret (none of ours will be!) - because he left an absolute fortune!
No surprise the queen found a spare £12 million to pay off Andrew's accusers!

The whole idea of a royal family is ludicrous and belongs firmly in the past. The sooner they all go, the better.

The argument that 'they bring in millions' is irrelevant and changes nothing about the principle: a monarchy in 2022 is a bloated, expensive, fawning, ridiculous insult to the 'subjects.'

Would you want Boris or Keri as President?

Ridiculous.

We can design our own model of Presidency - just like the Irish Republic.
And whatever we choose, we won't have to house their endless children, cousins, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters and their families! Utter scandal we do this - dishing out homes, palaces to all with any royal connection.

Geez - we had to force the Queen to pay taxes! Unbelievable.

Did you not see the joy, pride and well-being that lots of people all over the world got from all the jubilee celebrations? Can you distill that into pounds, shillings and pence? Even if it’s misguided, the psychological uplift is real

Would that be the same psychological effect that millions apparently experienced when Diana died?

Or maybe a psychological uplift like when the Olympics takes place and millions flock to watch them wherever they are held?

It's time for them to go now. Outdated, archaic and some of the family are frankly an embarrassment.The money they cost us would be better spent elsewhere.

Would you want Boris Johnson as our head of state, with his picture on bank notes and stamps etc?

I don't want him as the PM - but I can vote him out. I don't want royals on my bank notes either!

It is a sheer order of birth issue we are not getting Andrew as the next king!

Even if it’s misguided, the psychological uplift is real

For some, possibly.

For me, the psychological uplift from not having a royal family anymore would ecstatic.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · Today 14:05

And that’s not the real overriding benefit - they’re worth every penny because of two words - soft power
You name one single solitary thing the royals have done with their 'soft power' to the benefit of this country in the last 30 years. Anything.

This.

Kate and William in Jamaica and Sophie / Edward on tour were utterly embarrassing. I felt ashamed. If they were remotely normal they must have cringed themselves. The soft power is a rubbish argument.

Andrew was meant to be an ambassador for the UK. Well, didn't he do well at that. Marcus Rashford on the other hand, would make us proud.

Kate and William in Jamaica and Sophie / Edward on tour were utterly embarrassing. I felt ashamed. If they were remotely normal they must have cringed themselves. The soft power is a rubbish argument

Yes - anybody with a modicum of sense could have predicted how their antics would have turned out. Yet they had the UK's most expensive advisors planning this for months and they both had the advantage of the UK's most expensive education yet they were 'shocked, surprised and angry' how it turned out!
Talk about being out of touch? They and their advisors so far removed from reality.

Disband the monarchy and see how they get on in proper jobs. And let's not pander to nonsense stunts like 'selling the Big Issue with some photographers strategically placed to capture the moment. Cringe worthy and patronising stuff - an idle man with multiple homes and no unmet needs trying to make out he understands why some people have to stand outside in all weathers selling the Big Issue while his chauffeur picks him up after the pictures are taken.

The only good thing to come out of the monarchy is The Crown on Netflix

Charles was campaigning for the environment before most mps had even heard of it.

....according to recent data, a significant number of Charles' flights are carried out on private jets.

According to Stratos Jet Charters, Prince Charles has taken the most flights between 2015 and 2021 for business reasons than any other member of the Royal Family based on analysis of the Royal Family's financial reports.

The company's Royal Travel Index shows Charles tops the list of royals when it comes to air travel, taking 27 trips worth 124,313 air miles from 2015 to 2021.

Additionally, the breakdown shows Charles' flights total to a sum of £2,568,501.

Of these flights, 74 percent were private jet flights - despite Charles' emphatic pleas to lower emissions to tackle climate change in recent years.....

www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1528328/prince-charles-travel-private-jets-costs-evg

Don't be so gullible! That's the media with an agenda, desperate to draw headlines. You've fallen into their trap by not only reading the article but then reposting it. The contribution of the royal family both socially and economically hugely outweighs the £100 million 'cost'.

Everything you listed is an attraction with Royal heritage.
Great Britain is steeped in Royal history with implied or explicit examples.

Well not really, Royal Family would be £1.50 per head or so, TV Licence is a hundred times as much. Yes you only need to pay once per household but most people would be paying significantly more on average.

Not forgetting that she also had her homes fully staffed, heated, and always ready for her presence, should she wish to stay there or not. She had an awesome level of entitlement.

We are,the taxes go into the government like everyone else. The businesses that benefit pay their staff and support the economy. The staff working for the family. The knock on effect of tourism, use of hotels, eating out, travel etc If that stopped so many people would lose jobs, businesses would fail

The £102 million mostly relates to the renovation of Buckingham Palace. If they were under State control, we'd still pay these costs and honestly, when was the last time a State led project came in under budget?

Anyway, let's look at the ownership of the Crown Estates. From what I can see, if the Government abolish the Monarchy, the ownership of the CE reverts to the Sovereign unless there is some form of agreement reached during the abolition process.

It doesn't appear quite as simple as no Queen, everything becomes State owned.

If I were the Queen, should they go for abolition, I'd be doing a very careful cost analysis of the financials of the various palaces/castles and offer the money pits to the State, whilst keeping the ""good" assets. Politicians would crow that they've got a good deal in securing Buck Palace or what have you then the taxpayer would be lumbered with the entire costs going forward.

There's also the current financial arrangements of the Crown Estates where ALL the profits are handed to the Treasury and a sum of around 25% is handed back.

Do you honestly think the Windsor's are going to be paying 75% tax going forward? Really?

My gut feeling is that abolition would cost a hell of a lot more going forward and that where we've got the Queen now, politicians would soon take up residence. Because you know they're so worth it.

The £102 million mostly relates to the renovation of Buckingham Palace. If they were under State control, we'd still pay these costs and honestly, when was the last time a State led project came in under budget?

If it were completely open to the public it would generate its own revenue wouldn’t it?

The contribution of the royal family both socially and economically hugely outweighs the £100 million 'cost'

No amount of 'revenue' from the royal family outweighs the principle of having one in 2022.

It's a creaking, bloated, ludicrous spectacle that should be wound up when the Queen dies.

It would!

I really can't see how an elected president would be better. There'd be 3 or 4 candidates, political has-beens (Blair, Brown, Major, Cameron, May........ Johnson 😱), all of whom come with significant political 'debts' and baggage. They'd not be cheaper either.

The current monarch is an anachronism, but this will change. HM has served in the way she thought was the right way to do her duty, which she clearly takes very seriously. We cannot blame her for living much longer than expected, or for being 'behind the times'. Yes, she probably should have abdicated at some point, but she took a vow which she clearly considers more important than anything else, being the product of her upbringing and becoming queen much too soon.

Charles will be a 'transitional' monarch. Some of the royal traditions and privileges are ingrained in him, but he clearly realises that the monarchy has to change. Hence his plan to 'slim down' the monarchy, some of which is already happening.

This will intensify under William who clearly does not want to be a traditional king. We will end up with something along the lines of the Scandinavian and Dutch monarchies which, to my mind, is infinitely preferable to President Blair, May, Cameron et cetera.