To find it utterly chilling that Tory MP Danny Kruger has said that he doesn’t believe women should have absolute right of bodily autonomy?

[AngeloMysterioso]

During a House of Commons debate yesterday Danny Kruger, MP for Devizes said-

“I recognise the degree of distress and concern felt by many members in the house on the supreme courts decision… I probably disagree with most members who’ve spoken so far about this question.

“They think that women have an absolute right to bodily autonomy in this matter, whereas I think that in the case of abortion, that right is qualified by the fact that another body is involved.

“But we can disagree on that question, and I offer to other members who are trying to talk me down, that this is a proper topic for political debate, and my point to the front bench, is I don’t understand why we are lecturing the United States on a judgement to return the power of decision over this political question to the states, to democratic decision makers, rather than leaving it in the hands of the courts.”

(underlining is my own emphasis)

Telegraph - Women do not have ‘absolute right of bodily autonomy’, says Tory MP Danny Kruger

Daily Mail - Prue Leith's religious Tory MP son Danny Kruger says he doesn't agree that 'women have an absolute right to bodily autonomy' in debate over US abortion ban - and British MPs should not 'lecture' US over their democratic process

Evening Standard - “Women ‘don’t have an absolute right to bodily autonomy’, says Tory MP Danny Kruger”

Spectator- “In defence of Danny Kruger”

AIBU to think this is rather terrifying, in light of what’s just taken place in the US and the fact that, with BJ’s Tory leadership hanging in the balance there are rabid pro-lifers like Jacob Rees Mogg ready to take his place?

What a wanker.

Even more horrifying is that his mum is Prue Leith! I wonder what she thinks about his stance.

This is how it will start. I know people will say oh how dramatic but I really think this is how it will start for us here in this country. Chip chip chip away at womens' rights until we are back in the dark ages.

.Pity his family. What an idiot

Hopefully 50% of his constituents won’t vote for him at the next election

Women have an absolute right to bodily autonomy - and they have the right not to vote for him next election.

But he said it out loud - how many other MPs are thinking it quietly at the moment? How close are we to losing the right to safe abortion in this country.

I think it’s better out there, to be honest. I’m 100% anti forced birth (under any circumstances) and I don’t support the current legislation. Better that he’s open about his views and people in his constituency can choose whether or not they wish him to represent them. Additionally, the response that I’ve seen is a good indicator to others that this is unlikely to be a popular stance to take, which is also helpful.

I think we could do with more of our representatives being honest in a representative democracy, honestly.

Women can still suffer life changing effects and even death from pregnancy and giving birth.
No one should be forced into continuing a pregnancy if they don't want to.
And where is the focus on men who contribute to the abortion rate? I'm sure many women find themselves in this situation because of the actions of men. Whether it's rape and abuse or pressure and coercion. It's not always a drunken mistake or whatever people think is the reason. Do they think women are just careless so have to lie in the bed they made? Or they just don't care and men can carry on and get women pregnant and skip off elsewhere.

It will never be an issue in this country, regardless of who is in power. There are many MP's of all parties who hold strong religious convictions, however, on these matters they have generally abstained. We are very lucky to live in a secular country where religion plays no part in setting laws.

Kruger is an evangelical Christian, I guess his views are in line with his religious beliefs, as much a I absolutely disagree with him.

I really don't see the UK following the US on this issue.

No one does according to them. They'd happily see us imprisoned for not using covid jabs. They made it clear. And so would many people so I don't believe intrinsic bodily autonomy is most people's priority.

He's a dick. And I don't like his mother either.

“They think that women have an absolute right to bodily autonomy in this matter, whereas I think that in the case of abortion, that right is qualified by the fact that another body is involved.

This is quite literally the EXACT argument people were making to shame / force / threaten people into taking the covid vaccines...

I didn't vote for him last time and I definitely won't be voting for him ever. If that's what Christian beliefs do for you, I'm glad I'm an atheist.

Unworkable religious based idea that would mean women were second class citizens with less rights than men. It would require tearing up of the Equality Act to ensure it didn't cover women in the same way as men and render the UK a bastion of third world values.

This career politico who has never produced anything in his life or worked in a proper professional job despite his education at Eton, and who has hung around political corridors and charities all his life, is so stupid and out of touch with the real world that he lets his dog run loose and chase herds of deer and ends up with a conviction as a result. Perhaps he though his dog would hug the deer instead.

Forced pregnancy is awful, but if the US must have it, they really need to criminalise men walking out on their children, not paying child support, pretending to be single and getting women pregnant under false pretences, etc..

What a deeply unpleasant thing to say.

Doesn’t his stance reflect the actual law in this country? Women don’t have full bodily autonomy when it comes to abortion. We don’t have abortion on demand. It needs to be approved by two doctors. In practice, I don’t think anyone really gets refused but there is still a process to go through. As far as I am aware this is still the case. And there is a legal limit on when abortion can take place. I think it’s 24 weeks. I suspect most people In This country regard this as a reasonable balance of respective rights, particularly with the limit on when abortion can take place.

She did when she was 15 apparently. A back street abortion as that was her only option. He wouldn't exist if she hadn't, as her life would have taken an entirely different course.

I feel for her. Her son is a disgrace.

so if his argument is that the other 'body' to consider is the baby/fetus itself, then that still shouldn't give a man any say whatsoever, because the man is neither of the bodies to consider....

Fuck that. THIS is the hill I will die on and I know many women who feel the same.

Incorrect. There is nothing perjorative in law at present to support that notion. With regards to the laws relating to abortion, this isn't generally taken to affect the general right to bodily autonomy so as to render it less than that of men. In the practical sense, women have limited bodily autonomy but since they aren't criminalised, this doesn't really support a legal view that women lack bodily autonomy.

Have to say that Kruger isn't the best critical thinker. Despite his extensive, expensive and privileged education, he has little of note attributed to him. Given that he has been a speech writer for various MPs over the years, his views are at heart PR puff without much intellectual content. I don't think he would stand up to proper academic debate very well.

I agree with this, always easier to fight your enemies when you know who they are!

Exactly what my family said when I expressed concern, a couple of years ago, that Roe vs Wade would be overturned. They said that wouldn't happen.

we need to stop listening to optimists!

Although I'm appalled by his comments , I'm glad he's said them , I hope this means his constituents will vote him out.