To think any man that wants to ‘breastfeed’…

[Wouldloveanother]

Is seriously shady and I’m absolutely incredulous that LLL is encouraging this?

Once you realise that none of this, where it appears, is for any purpose other than to validate a trans identity, then it all makes sense.

The question is why this trumps all.

Sometimes two and two are four, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. It is whatever the Party says they are.

@ReneBumsWombats well said.

I won't participate in the gaslighting.

If they used to be a woman, they're still a woman because you can't change sex.

I saw an article a few years ago about a PREGNANT MAN. Clicked. Pregnant transman. Are you amazed? Are you gawping? Are you stunned by this incredible biological breakthrough?

My kids are adopted, I would have loved to be able to breast feed but didn’t know there was even the slightest possibility of being able to take medication for that to happen.

I don’t think I have a fetish, I think I have absorbed all the breast is best messages and wanted to give them the best start in life (as much as I could given the pre-existing disruption) as well as being able to be a proper mum. Still this is the one thing I think that I didn’t do right for them and my only sadness around adoption.

Interesting that someone upthread said that the benefit over formula is minimal when on every other thread discussing breast v formula people rush to tell you how superior it is. I was also judged horribly by other mothers who didn’t know my background for formula feeding.

The reason for posting this is that it seems to me that someone in my position would receive more support on this site than a trans woman, I don’t think I would be labelled in the same way. There are some really valid concerns about the trans debate, I don’t think this is one of them and I think people seem to be grasping at sticks to beat people with.

This infuriates me, breastfeeding is not a sexual thing. As women we have been campaigning for years to stop the sexulisation of breastfeeding our babies and toddlers, so that we can feed in public without the stupid comments about breasts being out and breastfeeding for our own benefit as opposed to our children's

Mixing the ideas of breastfeeding and sex should not happen, it's perverted and it's also problematic for women, it puts many off breastfeeding and shames those that do

Men cannot breastfeed, should not be attempting to mimic it with hormones, and definitely should not be feeding those secretions to infants, and anybody who conflates sex or arousal with breastfeeding is bloody disgusting, it's against the rights women have campaigned for and part of the reason women still get shamed for breastfeeding

A man (XY) that wants to breastfeed a baby needs professional counselling and therapy! Breast milk created through drugs cannot be safe or nutritious but let’s put men and their feelings above the health and welfare of babies and children! Bonkers and shocking!!

I’m guessing these trans women who want to breast feed are not also clamouring for the authentic experience of pushing a coconut sized object out of their neovaginas, or in the absence of one of those, their arse.
Just a hunch.

And where on earth are they procuring these babies from in the first place?!

Snort

Trevor McDonald is a trans man who had children after he had partially transitioned. He wished to breastfeed, but found he could not entirely naturally, so he needed to supplement with the 'chestfeeding' method - a bottle connected to a tube that runs down to the chest. It simulates breastfeeding as much as possible.

There isn't anything evil about it. The children are being fed and loved.

I don't think anyone has an issue with trans men breastfeeding (they may be confused as to why someone who feels male wishes to gestate and breastfeeding a child though) as they are biologically female and presumably had to come off testosterone in order to get pregnant. The 'chest feeding' method you are referring you is actually a supplemental nursing system, used by many women with expressed milk or formula.

The issue is with trans women (biological men) inducing lactation and feeding a baby another person (woman) has carried.

I don't understand why a person who wants to be a man would want to breastfeed. But if it's limited to setting up a ridiculous Heath Robinson contraption that gets a proper amount of real breast or formula milk to the baby via an unnecessarily overlong process, I can live with that. It won't feel anything like actually breastfeeding but everyone knows that.

@RadFemApparently

I don't think anyone has an issue with trans men breastfeeding (they may be confused as to why someone who feels male wishes to gestate and breastfeeding a child though) as they are biologically female and presumably had to come off testosterone in order to get pregnant. The 'chest feeding' method you are referring you is actually a supplemental nursing system, used by many women with expressed milk or formula.

The issue is with trans women (biological men) inducing lactation and feeding a baby another person (woman) has carried.

I agree with this. Trevor did have to campaign heavily within the LLL when he first joined as there was little to no support available for parents like him - if not outright hostility. To see this statement now is somewhat remarkable (if confusing on some levels).

What's grim about that particular post?

Thank you for pointing out the obvious 🙄

I have seen/read about adoptive mothers using supplemental feeding systems to support lactation for adoptive babies - it's not easy though but it's definitely been done. The difference being that the female body is designed to breastfeed, so the amount of drugs required to encourage lactation in women is significantly lower than that required for male bodied people. So the drug is considered safe to use for women because of the lower dosage.

I don't think a biological female like Trevor breastfeeding their baby can be considered a problem, however they identify. By the sound of things Trevor's baby received a mixture of breastmilk from a female (Trevor) and then supplementation with formula. That's how SNS usually works. All quite unremarkable. Correct me if I'm wrong and Trevor was supplementing with something else.

The issue of concern is babies being fed something that is neither the human female breastmilk nor the formula that we know to be safe.

Trevor's female. You have to be female to be a trans man.

Have you any idea how often it needs saying these days?

In the normal way. Most transwomen don't have genital reassignment surgery, which would render them infertile. Some take hormones, which would affect fertility, but not all do. In any case, sperm can be frozen before any surgery or drug therapy that would affect fertility.

Also worth pointing out most transwomen are sexually attracted to women, i.e. heterosexual.

@Wouldloveanother

The fact a man wants to feed a newborn potentially unsafe hormone laced secretions in order to ‘validate his gender identity’, and that he’s likely getting a perverted kick from doing so

You didn't read my post properly, then. Trevor is biologically female.