To think any man that wants to ‘breastfeed’…

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Is seriously shady and I’m absolutely incredulous that LLL is encouraging this?

The benefit of breastfeeding is medically very small. So anyone who thinks ‘does the benefit of breastmilk outweigh the risks of feeding the baby an untested hormonally induced secretion? Yeah it definitely does’ probably doesn’t have the risk assessment skills needed to be a parent
anyway let’s face it, it’s about affirming the male, not what’s best for the baby

I'm really confused and probably being a bit slow here. How can trans women breast feed? I don't get it 🙈

@Carrieonmywaywardsun can I have a source that has determined the content of trans women’s ‘milk’ and determined it as safe, please?

I'm sure whoever is doing this is weighing up the benefits Vs risks.

Why are you so sure of this?

When it comes to medication for breastfeeding women they mostly just advise against taking pretty much any medication and breastfeeding 'just in case it causes harm' rather than actually spending the time and money looking into it and weighing up the benefits vs risk. Meaning women either go without medicine, often pain relief or stop breastfeeding.

By taking a cocktail of drugs and repeatedly latching a distressed and hungry baby. Apparently.

Biological males have breast tissue. They can get breast cancer.

What I mean is, they don't produce milk do they?

Interesting, do LLL support natal 'cis' women who choose to bottle feed? Trevor seems to be suggesting that they support trans-identified people to formula feed so I assume that they offer that support to everyone?

If they are on enough female hormones and something like domperidone to induce lactation and use a pump/get a baby to suckle then they can produce something.

How exactly can a transwoman nourish a baby via 'chestfeeding'

Even if lactation has been successful, it's not in quantities sufficient to fully support a babies nutritional needs and the amount of drugs needed to stimulate lactation in make bodied people is several times more than that required for women struggling to lactate, which means the volume of that drug in chest milk is untested and no one actually knows if it's safe.

Bearing in mind the strict safety standards that formula manufacturers have to adhere to, I'm horrified that anyone would be happy for babies to be experimented on in this way.

If you read what I've written I said that lactation can be stimulated quite safely and that medication and hormones are taken into account to make sure the milk is safe. For AFAB trans men. That doesn't need a source, it's common sense hun. If you ever look on the side of a pack of medication it'll say whether or not it's safe for people who are breastfeeding.

But if you need a source and cannot access google, here is one article- Dr Blanchard explains it quite simply here, in cosmopolitan.

Now can you provide a source in which the NHS state they're not sure AMAB trans women's breastmilk is not safe, as you stated earlier?

I've read your post a few times and can't work out what you're saying.

Are you being sarcastic,or are you really saying that a trans women should be able to breast feed.
( even though they are biological male and don't have the ' right ' equipment ie breasts)

The lack of thought behind this is evident from the fact that LLL lump trans men, trans women and non-binary people all in together, when the issues are completely different.

Male lactation is technically possible www.newscientist.com/article/2161151-transgender-woman-is-first-to-be-able-to-breastfeed-her-baby/ but relies on drugs and artificial hormones. I would like to know what's been done to determine whether any of this affects the baby. Feeding a baby should be done with the baby's best interests in mind rather than to affirm the gender identity of its parent. Babies are people, not tools we can use for our own purposes.

Also somewhere knocking about there is presumably the woman who actually carried and gave birth to the baby...what's happened to her?

It's the first I've heard about it I'll be honest. The babies nutrition should come first really and I'm not sure why TW can't just bottle feed. Plenty of cis women bottle feed 🤷‍♀️

That's your suggestion? Really? Don't be so ridiculous.

A biological male's secretions are not on par with a woman's, never mind adding the litany of drugs added into the mix to make it possible. Christ, the fact that this is being done and no one has confirmed the potential and future risks on the baby is fucking horrendous.

If the woman who gave birth to the baby can't or doesn't want to breastfeed, she can use formula to feed her child. If she has the facilities for sterilising bottles etc and the cash to pay for the formula, that's a perfectly good solution. Some women can use donated breastmilk from other women. In times past, women turned to wet nurses. All of these solutions are safe. Why would anyone turn instead to a male person taking a cocktail of drugs? I'm not convinced there's a vast body of research showing this is safe. Apart from anything else, how would they get it past an ethics panel?

Trans women might want to perform female bodily functions, but they can't. Because they are male.

Feeding artificially induced man juice to a human infant is neither ethical nor safe.

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@Carrieonmywaywardsun a perfect example of why clear language is a necessity. We aren't talking about females. We are talking about males who think they are women trying to breast feed.

At best there is no health benefit, at worst the infant is being subjected to a bunch of hormones and medication (and being used as a larping prop)

Yes, it is. Adults working out their fetishes on each other with full consent is fine but no man should ever be taking a cocktail of drugs to induce lactation and feeing the toxic result to a baby.

I'm saying that yes, transwomen should be able to breastfeed. Male bodies have breast tissue. Why shouldn't someone who genuinely wants to be a woman be able to?

Yeah... in WOMEN. Not male people.

Maybe it's not a fetish. Ever considered that?

And it's most likely not toxic.