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AIBU to stop DD (12) snacking just before bed.

171 replies

McGingery · 28/06/2022 19:41

So my DD likes to go to bed with a snack. I have always said no but DH is weaker than me and says yes. She eats a healthy dinner at about 5pm, then pudding and has fruit to eat whenever she wants.

My arguments are that she should have eaten something earlier (I say an hour bed bedtime so 8pm) and she is only eating as a delay tactic or out of habit. I doubt it is doing her any good to eat late and is only forming a bad habit for the future.

The snack in question is usually a large chunk of cucumber but sometimes it is cheese or chorizo!

Am I being unreasonable saying no to bedtime snacks?

OP posts:
BoredZelda · 29/06/2022 20:04

Y7 is 12 right? 1st year of high school?

In Scotland that’s the last year of primary school.

Dd is at the end of her first year of high and has been going to bed (as in lights off) at 10.30 all year. Yet to be tired. She's never needed more than about 8 hours sleep in one go. Even as a toddler obviously she'd have a nap in the day but only 8 hours at night. It's a pretty standard time among all her peers too.

As I said, a whole lot of people don’t recognise the importance of sleep for children. thesleepcharity.org.uk/how-much-sleep-does-my-child-need/

BoredZelda · 29/06/2022 20:06

Are you allowed snacks before bed, OP?

Are you suggesting a 12 year old has the same rules as an adult?

BellyDancer124 · 29/06/2022 20:07

HotelCaliforniaOnRepeat · 28/06/2022 20:01

I'd want a snack if I had my meal that early

Me too!

Sleepingsatellite1 · 29/06/2022 20:35

We eat dinner at 5 and don’t tend to eat again after that, I don’t find it strange 😊

Anonymous48 · 29/06/2022 20:41

Why do you eat dinner so early? No wonder she's hungry before bedtime! If you really do have to eat that early then I don't think there's anything wrong with a snack before bed, but I do think taking a snack to bed is a problem.

Sleepingsatellite1 · 29/06/2022 20:42

5 is dinner time 😄 It’s not obscenely early especially if you had lunch at midday.

beautyisthefaceisee · 29/06/2022 21:10

BoredZelda · 29/06/2022 20:06

Are you allowed snacks before bed, OP?

Are you suggesting a 12 year old has the same rules as an adult?

Relatively, yeah, I am. OP has a digestive system and teeth and they're her arguments for the child, so...?

Justwingingit2005 · 29/06/2022 21:14

Hey Op

I have have 2 teens and 1 11 yr old, all boys

One teen barely anything until he turned 15 then would eat the table if u let him.
Second teen always ate alot.
11 yr old is a grazer. Prefers little and often not big meals.

All those saying tea is too early, can't last 13 hrs between meals..... well one teen often went all day without eating, the other wouldn't go two hours without eating.

What I'm trying to say is everyone is different.

DarkCharlotte · 29/06/2022 21:17

OP has a digestive system and teeth and they're her arguments for the child, so...?

So if I go to sleep without brushing my teeth... I must think it's ok for my child to go to bed without brushing theirs? If I think something is bad for me and choose to do it anyway, why does that mean I also should let the child?

ilovebagpuss · 29/06/2022 21:21

If there are no health issues at play, I would think that it's fine to have a snack later evening. I might steer her towards a crumpet with a swipe of butter or rice cakes with a bit of cheese on rather than just the chunks of stuff.

BoredZelda · 29/06/2022 21:27

Relatively, yeah, I am. OP has a digestive system and teeth and they're her arguments for the child, so...?

Except that OP is likely to be staying up a whole lot later so may well be feeling hunger before bed at say 11pm, 6 hours after eating. At 3-4 hours after eating a full meal, not so much.

Eeksteek · 29/06/2022 22:46

00100001 · 29/06/2022 12:12

I agree! It's about right I'd say.

Who's letting their Y7 stay up til 10pm?

Most of them according to our teachers!

Mine can stay up later when she can get herself up for school with less than ten minutes to get out the door, and stops grumping and stropping at me in the mornings. Neither of us are morning people, and we need all the help we can get. She’s in bed by eight, asleep before nine ish. (I’m in bed by ten, usually. And we STILL suck at mornings). I’ll make exceptions for organised stuff, chill out about it in the holidays and she can lie to her friends if she’s embarrassed. I’ll collude.

Anonymous48 · 30/06/2022 12:51

I think everyone is missing the point here. It's not so much about whether she has a late night snack (although I do think they're eating dinner very early).

The issue is that she takes a snack to bed!

"So my DD likes to go to bed with a snack."

Surely none of you think taking a snack to bed is a good habit to get into!

beautyisthefaceisee · 30/06/2022 18:47

Exactly.

So at one point does it come OK to have a snack before bed? Which age, I mean?

My folks always had a snack and a G and T in the evenings. My brother and I were allowed up for a certain amount of time to have cheese and crackers and watch a bit of something. Made us feel less packed off to bed.

liveforsummer · 30/06/2022 20:16

Anonymous48 · 30/06/2022 12:51

I think everyone is missing the point here. It's not so much about whether she has a late night snack (although I do think they're eating dinner very early).

The issue is that she takes a snack to bed!

"So my DD likes to go to bed with a snack."

Surely none of you think taking a snack to bed is a good habit to get into!

As long as she gets back up to brush her teeth i still don't see the issue - unless there is a no eating in the bedroom policy, but that's a separate issue and solved by simply saying eat it elsewhere which won't change any effect on digestion or dental health.

liveforsummer · 30/06/2022 20:40

BoredZelda · 29/06/2022 20:04

Y7 is 12 right? 1st year of high school?

In Scotland that’s the last year of primary school.

Dd is at the end of her first year of high and has been going to bed (as in lights off) at 10.30 all year. Yet to be tired. She's never needed more than about 8 hours sleep in one go. Even as a toddler obviously she'd have a nap in the day but only 8 hours at night. It's a pretty standard time among all her peers too.

As I said, a whole lot of people don’t recognise the importance of sleep for children. thesleepcharity.org.uk/how-much-sleep-does-my-child-need/

The last year of primary in Scotland is p7 - not equivalent to to y7 which is first year of high. It doesn't matter what the link says if your child cannot physically sleep for that length of time. Everyone is different.

CandyLeBonBon · 01/07/2022 00:38

Surely none of you think taking a snack to bed is a good habit to get into!

CandyLeBonBon · 01/07/2022 00:39

CandyLeBonBon · 01/07/2022 00:38

Surely none of you think taking a snack to bed is a good habit to get into!

Hides tea and Jaffa cakes

Eeksteek · 01/07/2022 03:26

CandyLeBonBon · 01/07/2022 00:38

Surely none of you think taking a snack to bed is a good habit to get into!

I had a lot of habits at 12, and very few of them are still with me. If she’s cleaning her teeth after, why does matter whether she eats it in bed, in the kitchen or on the roof?! The location of a snack has literally no bearing on anything. What? That’s important. When? Maybe. But Where? Nope!

I personally would hate to get comfy in bed with a book and my snack and then have to get up and clean my snacky teeth. But I’m not doing it. If she’s cleaning her teeth after, the rest is unimportant.

My mother INSISTED I shower every morning before school from 12 years old. My allowance was conditional on it. If I missed one shower, I lost my allowance for the whole week. I hated showers, and I positively loathed mornings. In vain did I plead with my mother to allow a bath before bed, or to shower after my three times weekly 2 hour marital art session. Or to skip when I went swimming with friends. NOPE! She could not ‘get going’ without a shower every morning. So I had to have one too. End of.

Dear readers, I very quickly leant that if I staggered to the bathroom with a token protest, I could run the shower and go back to sleep on the bathroom floor for ten minutes until my sister banged on the door. It was a formative experience for me in all the wrong ways. I was 100% prepared to agree to daily baths. Just not in the fucking morning. And my mother was totally wedded to this INSANE idea that showers had extra-special-magical-pro-morning-anti-teen-stinky-hormone-cleaning-powers that bizarrely ceased to exist after 9am. Mad! Absolutely mad. Clearly they didn’t, because I virtually never had one. She still can’t get her head round me not caring about the shower, but the TIMING (and probably the control as well)

She didn’t care about the water or anything- I had baths as well. I didn’t smell - she boasted to friends about it! I can clearly remember the sting of the ‘this is what I like, so it’s what you will do’ attitude. I can still barley bring myself to shower in the morning, or even at all (love my baths before bed. Or did, before I contracted poverty) and I often wonder how much this is responsible.

If she’d sat down and say ‘hey kid, you need an adult hygiene routine, how do you see that working out?’ And given me some parameters to work within (daily, more or less), and ownership over being responsible for cleaning my own body, I’d bet I’d have come up with ‘bath after Judo Monday, Thursday, Friday. Shower after swimming Saturday. Bath before bed Wednesday and Sunday (there were official chill/early night days), and maybe skip Tuesday?’ I’d have been a lot cleaner, there would have been a LOT less friction, more sleep and I wouldn’t have this weird shower hang-up. (I still hate mornings though. I can’t blame her for that!). It was the dictatorship that was so galling and created a lot of pushback. The frustration of knowing, but not being able to verbalise ‘This DOESN’T work for my body the way it suits yours! I’M NOT YOU!’ Made me feel like screaming, which wasn’t like me. It wasn’t like her, either, she was normally pretty reasonable, and I was a fairly ‘good’ teen with school and chores (a bit wild on the side, but good at hiding it) and we’d generally hammer out an agreement fairly amicably. Just a blind spot over morning showers. I still think it’s the weirdest hill to die on.

This is so reminiscent of that. You don’t mind that she’s snacking in her bedroom. There (presumably) no mess problem. She’s choosing great snacks. She cleans her teeth after. It’s not interfering with her sleep. There’s no digestive problems. All the objective, important parameters are met. Except, for you, the timing. You just ‘don’t like’ snacking right before bed. But her body isn’t yours. Your trying to make it a health and hygiene issue (which is a parental responsibility) and it’s not. It’s just different preference between your different bodies. Just the way a bath at 8pm every 24 hours is no less hygienic than a shower at 6am every 24 hours. It wasn’t a parental-responsibility hygiene issue at all. It was just a very strong, and very personal, preference.

I’m beyond certain you don’t ever want her hiding snacks, or feeling rebellious over them, the way I hid those showers for years. It’s just a piece of cucumber at bedtime. It’s a non-issue.

Anonymous48 · 01/07/2022 15:07

liveforsummer · 30/06/2022 20:16

As long as she gets back up to brush her teeth i still don't see the issue - unless there is a no eating in the bedroom policy, but that's a separate issue and solved by simply saying eat it elsewhere which won't change any effect on digestion or dental health.

Well, quite.

@McGingery can you clarify what your husband's objections are?

  • Eating in bed? If that's the problem, I have to agree with him. In my house you either eat at the kitchen table or at the coffee table in the lounge. None of us eat in our bedrooms, and definitely not in bed. It just wouldn't occur to us to do so to be honest. That's just the way it is, and our kids always accepted it. But every family is different, and if you and your husband aren't on the same page about it, I think you need to talk about it and get on the same page.
  • Not brushing teeth after snack? That should be non-negotiable. Whenever or wherever this bedtime snack happens, your child should be brushing their teeth afterwards.
  • Eating so late or so close to going to sleep? I guess there's nothing inherently wrong with this, but if I was your husband I would be wondering why it's necessary. Is there no way you can make dinner a little later?
BakeOffRewatch · 01/07/2022 16:45

Just read your last post OP comparing baby and teen, I think the principle stays the same about being responsive to their needs and listening, looking for cues.

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