A question for the pro-life members of MN

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The biggest argument always boils down to “taking a life away, acting like God”.

So - how does IVF sit with you? Are you anti it, because it is “acting like God”. Are you for it because acting like God to create a life is somehow fine whereas taking one away is not?

Do you understand that many IVF pregnancies are high risk and may ultimately require medical management aka abortions?

I’m firmly pro science and think access to both abortions and IVF is a wonderful thing, for avoidance of doubt.

One never sees protests outside fertility clinics and I wondered why.

And I don't agree with forced birth ....gun violence etc.

Your thinking is skewed.

I work in the emergency services and have seen the result of a woman forced to carry a pregnancy she didn't want and would have been shamed for. If you had seen that, perhaps you would have a more nuanced perspective on R v W. You cannot ban abortions, it's never been achieved in the history of the world. You can only ban safe abortions that don't end up with women bleeding to death or dying from sepsis or throwing themselves down stairs or taking dodgy drugs then hemorrhaging because they won't seek medical help. You're looking at women going to jail for miscarriages. Hope that delights you.

Very little of what the Religious Right (particularly in the USA) claim to believe makes a lick of sense.

When did that happen?

Viagra isn't normally used to end a life so nothing like the equivalent.

@stayingpositiveifpossible - oh my, I've never been called right wing or a troll before in my life. Fwiw, I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter. I spent an hour this morning writing to my Senators demanding they do more to ensure federal access to abortion.

Not sure what I said to make you so upset?

It would be interesting to know how many pro lifers believe that organs should not be harvested unless the person gave permission before their death.

If you think a corpse deserves more bodily autonomy than a woman...

This. It’s forced pregnancy and birth. It’s about controlling and enslaving women. Has nothing to do with IVF.
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'Benefits babies' ? and I quote.

And I'm not 'upset'.

Lucid. Aware and clear.

That wasn’t Cartoon mum. It was QOD.

I think you are getting confused. @Cartoonmom didn’t use the term “benefits babies”, @QOD did (and you replied to her).

I’m not sure what you think @Cartoonmom has said that’s so awful? Calm down and read back @stayingpositiveifpossible

Ectopic pregnancy, septic uterus and retained miscarriage don't fall under the Catholic church's teachings against miscarriage.

Against abortion, I mean.

Still here. Re read the thread.

Thank you, @Pumperthepumper . Just to be clear, my post about abortion not being a political issue was in reference to separation of church and state. If more religous people in America understood that doctrine, we would not be in the place we are today.

@stayingpositiveifpossible (today, 18:31)

I don't really understand what you mean, does the Catholic teach anything against miscarriages?

I thought it was the next of kin who had to give permission not the "corpse."

That was what I took from that post, @Cartoonmom. If more people who held pro-life beliefs understood that they could apply them to themselves and their own situations but not impose them on others, that it would be a great improvement.

How exactly do they go hand in hand? IVF helps to create new life, abortion terminates it.

I had IVF to conceive my DD and am pro life (also pro choice in certain circumstances). I am also an atheist.

Yes, that’s how I understood your post and I agree.

Usually until its born

This. 100%.

Also, not all pro-lifers are religious. I’m not, nor are my numerous friends who share my views.