To be so upset that the leader of the Rochdale grooming gang has been allowed to stay in the UK!

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www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/ringleader-rochdales-infamous-sex-grooming-24336978

Those poor girls. It is like they have been abused twice, first by him and his fellow groomers and secondly by the UK justice system, police and social workers. It is sending them a big message that their right to feel safe and protected is not a concern. I can't imagine how traumatic it must be to know you could bump into your abuser at any time and nothing can be done about it. Our justice system is a disgrace.

To top it all off, he has apparently received hundreds of thousands of pounds in legal aid courtesy of taxpayers. I really don't want my taxes wasted on people like him. So upsetting and infuriating!

No, what you remember there is Theresa May's direct lie about the facts. The whole story was absolute rubbish.

(Just to make above link clickable)

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/grooming-gang-ringleader-was-employed-by-council-as-welfare-officer-major-report-reveals/ar-AAYEZRL

What an appalling set of failures by various authorities.

Those poor girls. 😡

Where are you getting that idea from?

From the posters who think that sending dangerous sex offenders to likely re-offend in other countries is a good idea, because at least they're not in the UK.

Do you think 4 years was justice for his crimes here?

Absolutely not, as I've said several times on this thread.

Sentencing for these sorts of crimes needs to be addressed and made far more severe. But shipping UK citizens off to other countries is not the solution.

But what is the conflict of interest? Your perceived view that a British citizen should be deported even though there is no country that would agree to take them?

Or is it the fact that people accused of crime get legal aid for a defence?

Take this scenario. 11 year old girl is abducted and brutally murdered. A local young man from a family of immigrants is accused by other girls of indecent exposure, and is arrested by the police who question him intensively for three days without a lawyer being present, after which he confesses. That's a horrible crime, right, he must be bang to rights, he shouldn't get legal aid, should he?

The trouble is, the young man in question is Stefan Kiszko, who was wrongly convicted of the murder of Lesley Molseed. Those young girls later admitted they had made the indecent exposure accusation for a laugh, witnesses the police had never bothered to look for fully confirmed that he was miles away at the relevant time, and forensic evidence demonstrated conclusively that he was not the murderer. Do you still think he shouldn't be given legal aid?

You will no doubt say that no-one thinks the Rochdale man is innocent. But no-one knew that before his trial, just as no-one knew in Kiszko's case. If we could determine before a trial who is innocent and therefore deserving of legal aid, we wouldn't need trials at all. Sadly it really isn't that easy to work out, as history has demonstrated time after time.

@AmaryIlis excellent post.

The scandal here is not that he is not being deported it is the way the entire Rochdale saga was handled. The girls were not believed and the victim blaming and cover ups were appalling.

Then the sentences handed down were derisory.

Until the police, social services and the courts start to put the victims interests first nothing will change.

If he was still in jail, where he should be, then this deportation issue would never have arisen.

I agree that taking away human rights, even of scumbags, can be the start of the slippery slope, especially with this government. It does make me wonder about the timing of all this bearing in mind the recent ECHR decision over Rwanda. The tabloids are very good at stirring people up.

That makes the whole thing even more disgusting

Manchester's response to it hasn't helped :-

www.google.com/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/protesters-boo-andy-burnham-first-24337066.amp

Oldham Council live CSE meeting 27/6/22 where elected officials roll their eyes and have contempt for the public and victims mentioned in the report, who called out the lies at meeting. Even one their own councillors commented on the smug looks of the panel:-

Just Asians right, not those white men who rape people? Your post is horrific

It's disgusting. Labour really needs to sort themselves out because it's stuff like that the Tories will put out during election season. Who hired the rapist?

If he is stateless where do you propose deporting him to, the moon?

"If he is stateless where do you propose deporting him to, the moon?"
Why are you defending him? Who cares where he is deported to? Chuck him in the sea in international waters. Drop him from a helicopter over Antarctica. I honestly couldn't care less what happens to him as long as he is not in the UK preying on young girls. People who defending him by engaging in "oh so clever" arguments about legal technicalities need to take a look at themselves.

Can't they hurt him financially

Has he had to pay anything out his own pocket

I believe in equality and a fair legal system.

I think his sentence was too short, I think the sentencing and crime rates around sexual assault and rape are horrific and I believe we need to do something about it.

I do not believe we get to treat asian people any differently to white people. I do not believe we get to treat british citizens as less than british citizens when it suits us. History has taught us that as soon as you start to treat one sort of citizen differently to another horrific things can happen.

So if white british citizens are sentenced and incarcerated in this country then that happens to brown and black ones too.

I have in no way defended him or what he has done.

But your comment is utterly ridiculous. If you cannot work out where the hell to send someone who is stateless then I don't know how you expect the government to work it out.

We don't just get to send our criminals where ever we want in the world any more. So actually unless you do have an idea of where he could go then how on earth do you expect anyone to carry it out.

And no I don't need to take a look at myself. Some of the racist people on this thread do though. A horrific crime doesn't make it okay for racist sentiments to come crawling out of the woodwork.

Nobody is defending him. Not one single person on this thread has done so.

I honestly couldn't care less what happens to him as long as he is not in the UK preying on young girls.

But you're ok with him being sent to another country to prey on young girls there?

Rather than make silly statements about dropping him into the sea, do something useful and campaign for the more severe sentencing for these types of crimes.

He’s a UK citizen and everyone is and should be entitled to a qualified defence when charged with a criminal offence. The taxpayer isn’t wasting money on legal aid, they’re upholding basic human rights. I don’t believe we should be removing anyones citizenship, I’m sure Pakistan don’t want him either.

The sentence he received is a joke, but that’s a different topic.

I doubt that even the Tories would be that stupid. They would have to explain how all this happened under their watch.

I wonder if opinions woukd change if we knew the ethnicity of the victims. My understanding is that the victims of this particular gang where white British. If the victims were same ethnicity as the perpetrators - would that make a difference?

Because that would be murde, and our constitution and laws don't allow the state to commit murder. How would descending below his level help in any way? It's not as if he would even have qualified for the death penalty if we still had it.

Absolutely no-one is defending him. Pointing out the realities is not a defence. Just because you have decided you would like the state to kills someone in your name, explaining how that cannot happen is not defending one iota what this man did.

He received a crap sentence but he’s a legal U.K. citizen who committed his crimes in the U.K. against U.K. citizens. This is our problem not Pakistan’s.

Some of you are so thick but now it’s now clear why the country is almost broke and why we have people willing to give up their own HUMAN rights in order to punish people like this rapist. And what will you say when rules are changed and in exchange for this rapist going to Pakistan, we receive hundreds of peadophiles from Thailand?

You deserve to be broke, whilst working zero hours in between queuing up at the food bank with no healthcare whilst you work yourselves to death and your kids go to crumbling schools.

I’m mixed raced with an immigrant parent. If a higher bar is put on us, me and my (Antipodean) DH will take our higher tax paying selves elsewhere.

I’m sick of having to tip toe around thick racists for fear of being accused of sneering. You lot, who probably contribute the square root of fuck all, will destroy this county.

The sooner the human rights act is abolished the better. He should either be in prison or deported

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Another chilling post.

As PPs have pointed out, I take it you're perfectly fine with him being sent to another country to abuse girls? And also for those guilty of similar crimes with 'ancestral links' to the UK to be sent here to do the same?

Tougher sentences, absolutely. Playing musical paedophiles, not so much.

How far back does someone have to have foreign ancestry to be deported?

According to this 2017 article, Abdul Aziz was born in Pakistan;

Some who received shorter sentences are believed to be out on licence while four members of the gang could be deported back to their homeland, Pakistan.

[Mohammed Sajid] came to the UK from the same village in Pakistan as co-defendant Abdul Aziz.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/men-rochdale-grooming-tariq-jail-13035428

BBC yesterday -
Aziz had renounced his Pakistani citizenship on 13 July, 2018, six years after he was jailed, but just days before the Court of Appeal ruled he could be deprived of his UK citizenship.

Rauf and Khan only renounced their Pakistani citizenship in September of the same year after the Court of Appeal ruling.

(The first article says that Khan came to Rochdale from Kashmir with his wife in 1997)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-61957132

I wasn’t.

I’d happily lock up all child abusers for the rest of their lives, with the option of a lethal injection if they want an out.

Colour or ethnicity doesn’t come into it.