To be so upset that the leader of the Rochdale grooming gang has been allowed to stay in the UK!

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www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/ringleader-rochdales-infamous-sex-grooming-24336978

Those poor girls. It is like they have been abused twice, first by him and his fellow groomers and secondly by the UK justice system, police and social workers. It is sending them a big message that their right to feel safe and protected is not a concern. I can't imagine how traumatic it must be to know you could bump into your abuser at any time and nothing can be done about it. Our justice system is a disgrace.

To top it all off, he has apparently received hundreds of thousands of pounds in legal aid courtesy of taxpayers. I really don't want my taxes wasted on people like him. So upsetting and infuriating!

Completely agree. The HRA came into force when I was studying law at Oxford. Every law tutor I met thought it was a terrible idea.

The issue is the sentencing, not all the other things.

but if you want to cut legal aid, and deport people with links to other countries you’re absolutely playing into the hands of the tories who want to slowly erode all of our human rights. And you think it won’t be you, but one day it might and by then it will be too late.

Does everyone get free legal aid though?

I bet I couldn't

Freedom in Pakistan...so, free to abuse women and girls there? Right.

I usually find in those cases that it's because the people who are agreeing with the OP are not intelligent enough to articulate a coherent argument in support of their position. So they just vote and scroll on.

White men who are rapist paedophiles do not generally stay under lock and key for their entire lives they are released at the end of their sentence. So why is a poster suggesting that they should be murdered by the state or deported if they are not white!? Bear in mind this is a man with SOLELY British citizenship. You may not like that he is a brown man with British citizenship but those are simply the facts of this case.

Yes obviously the sentence is appalling low. Yes this system needs altering so that those under criminal investigation cannot change their citizenship status. But holy hell to some of the utterly insane rhetoric on this thread. Deporting people somewhere they have ancestral links? Totally unworkable and who decides which ancestral link and how far back? Pray tell will it just be far enough to remove mainly black and brown criminals, because frankly that seems like the aim.

Honestly threads like this make me understand how the car crash that is brexit happened. We have a nasty reservoir of racism and xenophobia in these fair isles. Sections of the population can be whipped into a frenzy by the media, and are seemingly devoid of any kind of critical thinking skills or foresight. It's like they wholeheartedly welcome a descent towards fascism and the removal of rights from us ALL. No wonder Boris can't be shifted.

If this judgement concerns you, and I cannot imagine the sentencing doesn't concern most, then instead of frothing about deporting brown people to places they don't have citizenship, work on defeating misogyny and the patriarchy. Fight for women's value in society to be held in higher esteem. Fight for tougher sentencing around rape, fight for the 'believe women', 'trust women' culture we should have. Fight for your daughters to become politicians, leaders, figureheads, to be the ones who mould policy. Teach your sons to become men who value women every bit as much as the value men.

And whatever you do, don't give into the kneejerk, right wing fuelled 'send em back' rhetoric. It serves no good purpose.

Excellent post!👏

I was thinking about Shamima Begum, I reckon all the publicity about stripping her of British citizenship as she was entitled to Bangladeshi probably made anyone in legal trouble with dual nationality decide to ditch the other one if they wanted to stay here.

That's interesting, I'd read the headlines but didn't know the full story.

I don't agree with the decision. He had alternative citizenship at the time of the offences. That should be what counts. He chose to sign it away. That makes statelessness his problem, not the UK's.

He should be deported, as should his co-perpetrators.

He should of never been allowed to give up his other citizenship.

Not quite sure if Pakistan would take kindly to the UK telling them how they must run their citizenship laws. What with them being a sovereign country and all that.

Any other countries people feel should do exactly what the UK says they should do ? Maybe we could draft a list ?

As in the U.K. should of got in their first and removed his U.K. citizenship.

commit crimes lose the citizenship providing you have another.

I'm all for equal treatment. I'd gladly blast an abuser of this sort to the moon, no matter where they were born.

As in the U.K. should of got in their first and removed his U.K. citizenship.

commit crimes lose the citizenship providing you have another.

Ah yes. An incredibly simple legal process which an idle civil servant could unilaterally draft in the period of lull after lunch and have implemented and internationally accepted and agreed without challenge by teatime.

Maybe not but it’s something that could be done and be put in place for future crimes.

I think all countries should do it. Nobody has the automatic right to live in another country. Follow their rules and laws or be removed.

It has no possible legal mechanism. You might be able to put the words together to form a sentence, but they can no more be turned into an international legal reality than “convert sex offenders into bitcoin and then sell them to Elon Musk.”

The law is an invented construct. It's not impossible at all. The government just doesn't want to do it.

So when Pakistan, which owes no loyalty to the UK and is not a UK-friendly regime refuses access to their airspace for the deportation flight he’s on, what do we do? Keep on flying around and around the globe just so he’s not living in the UK?

@Florenz

How back does someone have to have foreign ancestry to be deported? And what if they have ancestry from multiple countries? or thr country refused to take them?

He is a British citizen. His crimes are disgusting and his sentence isn't nearly long enough, but setting a precedent that we just ship off British citizens elsewhere in the world for criminal behaviour is not a good idea.

In fact, having a legal precedent where we can just rescind citizenship easily is a bad idea generally. Making people stateless does not address crime.

Yabu he's a UK citizen

I agree. Feeble little sentences for this kind of crime are an encouragement to other predators. The small risk of arrest, then the small risk of conviction, then just a few years jail if they’re unlucky enough to get that far … an acceptable risk in return for years of unhindered child abuse.

For the victims, it’s an insult. For all other girls and young women, it’s a warning not to bother trying to defend themselves. Their attackers, even if jailed (a rare occurrence) will soon be out.

''Grooming gang ringleader was employed by council as welfare officer, major report reveals'' www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/grooming-gang-ringleader-was-employed-by-council-as-welfare-officer-major-report-reveals/ar-AAYEZRL

I really wish I hadn't read that - it's no surprise with Oldham council, but that's hardly much consolation

Do explain exactly how it is possible if other states don't want to take this man?

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Where exactly should these criminals be removed to if they have no citizenship of any other country?