To be so upset that the leader of the Rochdale grooming gang has been allowed to stay in the UK!

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www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/ringleader-rochdales-infamous-sex-grooming-24336978

Those poor girls. It is like they have been abused twice, first by him and his fellow groomers and secondly by the UK justice system, police and social workers. It is sending them a big message that their right to feel safe and protected is not a concern. I can't imagine how traumatic it must be to know you could bump into your abuser at any time and nothing can be done about it. Our justice system is a disgrace.

To top it all off, he has apparently received hundreds of thousands of pounds in legal aid courtesy of taxpayers. I really don't want my taxes wasted on people like him. So upsetting and infuriating!

Not rtft but what about the human rights of his victims? So often these poor girls are so undervalued by those who should be caring for them that they become prey to these evil, greedy, callous and vile monsters.
Frankly their punishment does not reflect their crime and the ongoing trauma that victims will have to live with for the rest of their lives.
I could think of far harsher punishment than deportation after a short time in prison.
How would they like to be persistently raped, threatened and beaten? Or their daughters? Obviously not advocating their daughters be raped. Wouldn’t care if the abusers were though.

The UK citizenship Test includes questions on ''The UK Government, Law, and Your Role'' and ''Your Role in the Community''.

So while I support human rights, I support them for everyone including the victims of serious crimes. We need a better solution to this problem than 4 years in prison.
How do we react if someone lies about their intentions to gain citizenship?

Ah, the famous Bolivian cat case.

The actual background to that was that the Home Office refused leave to remain to a man who had applied as a spouse of a British citizen. They said there wasn't enough evidence that the relationship was genuine and subsisting. On appeal, the man and his husband produced voluminous evidence of their relationship, which happened to include the paperwork from their joint adoption of a cat.

The Home Office conceded the case.

In writing up the decision the judge made a crappy joke about the cat not having to go and catch Bolivian mice, the tabloids got hold of it, and hey presto "man allowed to stay because he has a cat" was born.

@Florenz
How would this work exactly? Would they be deported if both parents were from a different country or just one parent? What about their grandparents, or great grandparents? What if they have ancestral links to multiple countries? What if those countries refused to take them?

If someone gains citizenship and is subsequently found to have lied about something to get it, their citizenship can be rescinded.

We would be living in a very scary country if he was deported

Rapists walking free in the streets is scary as well.

Do you know what "per capita" means?

@User2145738790 I think PP was referring to OPs suggestion that he shouldn't be here because his victims are traumatised that they might see him. But that is true for every victim of abuse.

How far back are you planning on tracing ancestral links exactly? Is anyone with links to Romans, Vikings, or Saxons up for deportation or is this just applicable to people from particular backgrounds?

Are you going to accept American, German, Indian, Chinese, Australian, etc criminals with British ancestry back into the UK?

At least in the UK a convicted rapist/paedophile will be known to the justice system and subject to some checks/scrutiny. Once deported there's no guarantee that will happen in the new country and they could be completely free to abuse again. Do the rights of the girls and women in the county you're planning to offload a convicted rapist in not matter?

Also if you think abolishing the HRA will lead to the UK looking after its citizens you are beyond delusional and it's genuinely scary that there aree people with such little understanding of it's importance. The more I see of the British public the more I think the Ancient Greek style of democracy should be revived.

The UK signed up to the European Convention of Rights in 1951. The UK helped to draft it. Until the 1998 HRA we had to obey it, and any perceived breaches went immediately to Strasbourg. After Blair very sensibly codified it into UK law, any disputes can be resolved in UK courts.

At least in the UK a convicted rapist/paedophile will be known to the justice system and subject to some checks/scrutiny.
But thats not happening, is it?

''Grooming gang ringleader was employed by council as welfare officer, major report reveals''
www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/grooming-gang-ringleader-was-employed-by-council-as-welfare-officer-major-report-reveals/ar-AAYEZRL

But it's ok for rapists to walk free on the streets of the country he would theoretically be deported to?

Why does the safety of women and children in another country matter less?

Deporting a British citizen to carry out his crimes elsewhere is not the answer. Longer sentences however are.

If my relative commits a crime in Oz and they feel they have destroyed trust, good citizen ship etc and they don't want them, why is it a problem for us to accept them back??

It's the. Our job to deal with them?
I can't see the issues?

Well yes it is, otherwise how was the man in your link eventually found out if he wasn't known to the system?

That he was able to pass through the system is due to the criminal ineptitude of those admistering it (who are repeatedly overlooked and escape any punishment in these cases), not the system itself, which in most instances works fine.

But it's ok for rapists to walk free on the streets of the country he would theoretically be deported to?
Where are you getting that idea from?

Why does the safety of women and children in another country matter less?
Are you saying Other Countries have less satisfactory justice systems than the UK?
Do you think 4 years was justice for his crimes here?

In this case, he had dual citizenship and gave up one. He was not a refugee.

Well yes it is, otherwise how was the man in your link eventually found out if he wasn't known to the system?

If you read the link he was known to the system at the time he was employed. The system isn't working.

I have ancestral links to 5 other countries, some of them going back to the time of William the conqueror, which of these 'ancestral links' do you think my 'country' should be decided on if I was to commit a crime.

The reality most of us have ancestral links to another country somewhere in our past, so that would just mean pass the parcel of criminals. Lets hope Australia and America don't decide to start sending back their criminals to the Uk because of ancestral links...

It’s a joke he only served such a short sentence in the first place.
The scum bag piece of trash.

They should only be allowed to stay in the UK under lock and key.

Give them a choice- lifelong imprisonment here or freedom in Pakistan with no option of ever returning.

Third option of lethal injection if either of the first two don’t appeal.

I agree his punishment wasn't long enough and there is a real upsetting issue in the UK like many countries doesn't take these types of crimes seriously enough.
However, there have been other cases of

There have already been British violent criminals who on release had conditions barring them from a particular area to protect victims. How well these work has been up for discussion, but those same conversations have happened around deportation too.

I'm not particularly upset that he's not being deported but I am upset that he got such a leniant sentence. I feel his crimes deserve a more severe sentence. He seems like a nasty predatory man who would be a threat to girls whether he was in the UK or in Pakistan (I don't care about Pakistani girls less than UK girls so where he lives is not the issue to me). He needs to be kept away from vulnerable women and girls wherever he is.

Yes good point

I think the real problem is the short sentencing. Four years is nothing to the entire lives he has destroyed. I don't think he should be free to go and abuse girls in any country - either in the UK or in Pakistan.

Yes sentence is too short

There is something deeply racist and very disturbing about wanting people with "ancestral links" to other countries to be deported if they commit crimes here in the UK. They should be treated like any other white British criminal. How dare anyone suggest that my mixed race dd, who has been born and brought up in the UK, and who has only ever had British nationality, should somehow be less entitled to her citizenship in this country than the next person, simply because she has "ancestral links" to another country? FFS!

What happened to those poor girls in Rochdale was utterly despicable and the perpetrators should absolutely be held accountable and punished for their crimes. Personally, I think harsher sentences in these cases would have been appropriate. However, I want the perpetrators to be dealt with in exactly the same way that a white British child abuser would be dealt with for the same crimes. The ethnicity of the perpetrators is of no importance to me, and I see no particular reason to deport.

As for their entitlement to legal aid, it is a fundamental principle of British justice that people - even despicable criminals - should have the right to a legal defence. I would not wish to remove those rights from anyone, and I think it would be dangerous to do so.