To be so upset that the leader of the Rochdale grooming gang has been allowed to stay in the UK!

[vermicello]

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/ringleader-rochdales-infamous-sex-grooming-24336978

Those poor girls. It is like they have been abused twice, first by him and his fellow groomers and secondly by the UK justice system, police and social workers. It is sending them a big message that their right to feel safe and protected is not a concern. I can't imagine how traumatic it must be to know you could bump into your abuser at any time and nothing can be done about it. Our justice system is a disgrace.

To top it all off, he has apparently received hundreds of thousands of pounds in legal aid courtesy of taxpayers. I really don't want my taxes wasted on people like him. So upsetting and infuriating!

I look forward to receiving criminals form the USA!

Even that would be irrational. How would you force other countries to accept non-citizens?

@Florenz by your rationale, I assume you also believe that white British offenders should also be deported to countries with which they have 'ancestral links'? So Dave Smith whose three times great grandfather was French should be deported to France?

Because if he was deported there would be no likelihood of them running into him in the area they live as has happened with victims of other groomers. I am sure victims of other criminals who can't be deported are also terrified of bumping into their abusers. They are likely to be traumatised because they know now it is quite likely he will still be in the area and they might bump into him. It's really not that difficult to understand. Can you understand that these girls might find that traumatic? That they are actually real people with real feelings?

I agree with @Dotjones - he shouldn’t have been allowed to give up his Pakistani citizenship once he was charged , which was clearly a way to get out of being potentially deported.

i do agree with PPs that if you are a British citizen, regardless of ethnic background or ancestral links, you should be treated the same a white British citizen. Slippery slope to remove citizenship from certain people (when there are clearly scum bags from all parts of the world, Uk included).

The sentencing was a disgrace and I have zero faith that things have improved for vulnerable children in these types of towns.

They do - 40% of junior barristers left the profession last year. They go into areas like corporate law, as I did, which pays the bills. Which means that there’s a severe shortage of barristers available to defend those accused of crimes, hence trials are severely delayed and the victims of crime - like the Rochdale young women - will wait years to see their abusers and rapists put on trial and have to suffer the stress and anxiety of knowing they’re still out there meanwhile. Your smart remark about their human right presumably doesn’t seem so smart now, does it?

So is the idea we deport rapists to Pakistan so they can carry on there?

They should be in jail. Four years is a travesty.

Awww. What PP means is anyone with dark skin should be deported to some country or other where the indigenous population also has dark skin. Obviously.

Obviously it's not going to apply to nice white people and it certainly won't work both ways with the UK obliged to accept returns from all over the Empire.

Yes, this is the real problem. Deportation would never be a possibility for most child molesters.

This.

Let’s ignore the fact that the majority of grooming gangs are white and focus only on the ones who aren’t.

@vermicello but what about all the other victims of grooming gangs who's members are white British nationals? They must be terrified too? Why is it that you're so preoccupied with this case? I wonder

But where would you deport him to? British citizens commit crimes and can’t be kicked out once they’ve done their time in prison.

I doubt the poster is going to come back to explain the ancestral links comment.

@5zeds

So is the idea we deport rapists to Pakistan so they can carry on there?

Yes, because that's exactly what OP said, isn't it.

How about we twist your words, too...

So is the idea we import rapists from Pakistan so they can't carry on there?

You're welcome to make another thread about the numerous white British grooming gangs. I wonder why you are so focused on changing the subject though?

This is another one of those threads where the vast majority agree with OP (see voting, 85% YANBU) but the posts in thread don't reflect that.

@vermicello i'm not changing the subject, simply wondering why you only care about this grooming gang in particular.

If we take away someone's human rights because we don't like them, as PPs have said, it's a slippery slope. It has to be rights for all or none. Not a pick and choose situation.

I am horrified as such a short sentence, but we can't just take away citizenship whenever we want to.

It's not changing the subject at all.

Simply asking for clarity wrt views on white grooming gangs, and whether their treatment should be different - particularly if they have 'ancestral links' to other countries, as per a comment by another poster.

It's fair enough to ask why victims of white grooming gangs (which are far more prolific) should not be afforded the same consideration as victims of non-white grooming gangs, surely?

No one's changing the subject, just pointing out that you can't deport a British citizen, no matter what colour his skin is.

What happened to those girls is absolutely completely appalling and the perpetrators should all have been much more harshly dealt with IMO, but the answer isn't deportation, which wouldn't be any kind of possibility in most cases.

I agree op.
Being given something means that can also be withdrawn which it rightly should be. otherwise the message is... abuse,fill your boots,and still get to enjoy our country?

I have relatives all over the world. If any of them did this I would expect them to sent back here eg one in Australia and one in Spain.

No one’s changing the subject OP. In fact it’s you that seems to be trying to limit the discussion after the fact.

If he carries on grooming girls no doubt he would do exactly the same thing in Pakistan. Does it only bother you if he rapes British girls or do Pakistani girls not have the same rights to be protected?

Personally I think he should be in prison for for longer and then have a permanent tag on him and be checked on randomly weekly for the rest of his vile life.

I think what I was trying to highlight is exporting dangerous predators to other countries particularly those with heavily patriarchal regimes is morally reprehensible.

Surely the victims should be made aware of their pending release and provided with extensive counselling to help them process this

I also feel that especially releasing them early should come with conditions for paedophiles and rapists Including not being able to live or visit the area and surrounding areas of their crime in order to safeguard the victims- and yes that may affect their right to live where they like but if they don’t like it they can do their full sentence and actually do their time for their crime.