Religious pondering Roe v. Wade

[LemonSwan]

So with the news from America being so heavily influenced by religion I have been doing some deep thinking.

So my thinking with some religious framing -

If god knows me, every unspoken word, every thought, every action I will take and the path of my life. And thus for everyone in the world.

Surely god would know in advance when he gives the gift of life to an embryo which would be aborted. So how is it against the will of god IYSWIM. Surely god would just not fertilise that egg if he didn’t wish for the embryo to be aborted.

I don’t want this to descend into pro choice vs. Anti abortion because that’s everywhere right now. This is more about people’s thoughts on the above.

And yes I know not everyone is religious so anything offensive re religion is not really where I am going with this. I am pondering philosophy of religion and insight into thought tracks of why religious people are so anti abortion if they trust in god knowing in advance all that will be.

If anyone wants to muse in with anything insightful I would be really interested.

Keep your religion away from my body.

You could ask the same about miscarriage. Or about pregnancies that turn out to be incompatible with life.

Maybe he just gets a bit distracted whilst watching people play candy crush on the toilet.

The problems begin when you let anything religious influence decisions that affect real human beings...

If god knows me, every unspoken word, every thought, every action I will take and the path of my life. And thus for everyone in the world.

Only one sect of Christianity that I know of believes in predestination, the Calvinists. This isn’t a belief shared by the Christian religious right in the USA.

Who gives a fuck about your religious ponderings!!

Abortion is a vital medical procedure and a human right. End of.

God have free will though didn’t he? So it’s your will to do with that embryo what you want. However, religion should have no say in what a women wishes to do to her body.

God gave free will that should say.

If religious people actually cared about religion then they would bring that type of thinking to all medical decisions:

Don't resuscitate - if you are going to die you should die otherwise god wouldn't let you
Don't use Viagra - God has made you impotent, deal with it

No bypass surgery, no pacemakers, no inhalers, no insulin injections, no cholesterol meds etc etc etc

Don't get me wrong there are some very very fundamentalist religious groups who actually do operate along those lines, and I have more sympathy with them being anti abortion, although I completely disagree with them and whether their religion should be allowed to dictate politics.

But for the average American who doesn't believe in abortion, the vast majority of them are accepting all the medical help they can get including Viagra etc. So its all a load of bollocks.

The bible forbids the wearing of mixed fibres, trimming your beard, picking fruit from a tree within four years of planting it and blasphemy.

Find me an American who actually follows all of that and then I might, might be willing to entertain for a few minutes a conversation about anti-abortion on religious grounds. But I still disagree that they get to dictate policy to an entire country, many of whom don't even follow the same religion.

Yes this is how I feel too.

I think it is wholly wrong to try and make abortion a religious debate.

People who want to believe in fairy tales and imaginary beings in the sky can crack on but when they try to use their imaginary friend to control my body they need to fuck off so very very far.

That's pondering predestination as opposed to free will.

I actually spent quite a bit of time in calvanistic methodist chapel services as a child and I never knew they believed in predestination.

I can't enter in to the mindset of religious people on most issues. As far as I know they would just say that it's up to you to behave in a moral way, and that abortion is immoral in their view.

I feel a bit sick at the number of nice religious people who really think abortion is wrong in this way.

Where was your God during my miscarriage then? Why does he let so many babies die through miscarriage? I'm sure I read it's something like one in three pregnancies end like that. Maybe he's not so keen on the unborn after all, as presumably he could save them all if he wanted to.

Seriously?

Ahh thank you. That explains it.

Really appreciate it because this has been seriously perplexing me all day.

Blimey - pretty sure those who believe in God do t believe god is a gigantic puppet master. That's like saying if god knows you are going to die by driving your car into a wall, god would make sure you never got to own a car.

We have free will - free will to vote in extreme governments, free will to have sex, free will to choose to use contraception, free will to choose to abort - nobody is orchestrating it from above.

The Bible doesn't say anything about abortion either way. There are certain passages which you can interpret as suggesting God is not against abortions.
Eg a bit where a priest gives a pregnant woman a potion which would abort her pregnancy if she has committed adultery.

Other religions permit abortion, as far as I understand.

There's an interesting episode of Jon Ronson's podcast Things Fell Apart which explains the history of how Christians in the USA became so against abortion when they previously weren't.

Your God doesn't get to determine what I do with my uterus.

Who gives a fuck about your religious ponderings

Not a fan of philosophy then?

That's a view of Christianity held by only certain sects.

Also: ovaries are no place for rosaries, thanks. Abortion is a medical procedure. Religious views have no place in this matter.

God is either all knowing and incredibly cruel or not all knowing

Can't have it both ways

Free will.
That's all I can say. I don't agree with bringing sometime else's religion into matters that affect millions and millions of women though.

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As far as I know Calvinistic Methodists do not believe in predestination as they split from Calvinists after the Arminian controversy.