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Women are now womb carriers

79 replies

Callingoccupants · 24/06/2022 09:47

Women are being attacked, again. A long standing publishing company, Verso Books, has decided women should be referred to as womb carriers. Can it get any worse? Will try and provide a link.

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11Hawkins · 24/06/2022 09:48

😂 isn't that sexist? Maybe we should start suing these ridiculous companies who are trying to take away our rights as women!

Dotjones · 24/06/2022 09:48

So they're excluding transwomen from the definition of "women" then? A lot of people here will agree with that.

Immaterialatthispoint · 24/06/2022 09:48

Yeah, gonna need a link for that before I comment further.

Spidey66 · 24/06/2022 09:50

I've had a hysterectomy. I don't have a womb to carry. I'm still a woman though.

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Callingoccupants · 24/06/2022 09:52

Link now attached folk's.

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Immaterialatthispoint · 24/06/2022 09:53

Daily Mail, I’m afraid I’m not clicking that. I’ll find something less based in bullshit to give my click revenue to.

Callingoccupants · 24/06/2022 09:53

Spidey66 · 24/06/2022 09:50

I've had a hysterectomy. I don't have a womb to carry. I'm still a woman though.

Quite. How utterly disgraceful to be identified as a functioning part x

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Callingoccupants · 24/06/2022 09:54

Immaterialatthispoint · 24/06/2022 09:53

Daily Mail, I’m afraid I’m not clicking that. I’ll find something less based in bullshit to give my click revenue to.

Ridiculous on your part. It's been confirmed and seen on the company's website.

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Rainbowshit · 24/06/2022 09:54

I have absolutely had enough of this assault on my sex class and our rights. Woman is not a dirty word.

Babdoc · 24/06/2022 09:56

If you go to the feminism boards, you’ll see there’s already a long (5+ pages) thread on this.

Callingoccupants · 24/06/2022 09:56

Question is, why are women becoming the easy target????

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Callingoccupants · 24/06/2022 09:57

Babdoc · 24/06/2022 09:56

If you go to the feminism boards, you’ll see there’s already a long (5+ pages) thread on this.

Thanks. As the issue reaks of unreasonable, I've posted here.

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onlywhenidream · 24/06/2022 09:58

Callingoccupants · 24/06/2022 09:56

Question is, why are women becoming the easy target????

Becoming?

We always were

Callingoccupants · 24/06/2022 09:59

onlywhenidream · 24/06/2022 09:58

Becoming?

We always were

True.

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Isaidnoalready · 24/06/2022 10:00

Callingoccupants · 24/06/2022 09:56

Question is, why are women becoming the easy target????

Because we roll over and don't fight for the most part for every woman that says hang on a minute that's wrong you will find ten more women more than willing to defend this to the death every time statistics prove that men are more violent more aggressive etc there will be post after post screeching NAMALT! BE KIND! women are abusers tooo! and going out of there way to prove the statistics wrong

It's fucked up

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/06/2022 10:09

www.nationalreview.com/corner/womb-carriers/ Try this. Times has it too.

MrsSamR · 24/06/2022 10:11

I recently had a letter through for a biological sex scan at the hospital and in it I was referred to as 'the pregnant person.' Needless to say I was fuming!

iwanttobeasquare · 24/06/2022 10:17

So offensive. I note they continue to call men "men" too so it really is women being erased and reduced to our body parts. Misogyny.

Callingoccupants · 24/06/2022 10:17

MrsSamR · 24/06/2022 10:11

I recently had a letter through for a biological sex scan at the hospital and in it I was referred to as 'the pregnant person.' Needless to say I was fuming!

Omfg! And that's from a hospital...frightening.

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Twiggywinkle13 · 24/06/2022 10:25

It’s absolutely outrageous. A lot of people are too scared to say anything about it too because you will instantly be a ‘terf’ or ‘transphobic’. Protecting the rights of biological women is not transphobic. Biologically you can either be male or female. Gender of course is completely different to that.

It is so steeped in misogyny it’s ridiculous.

334bu · 24/06/2022 10:34

So they're excluding transwomen from the definition of "women" then? A lot of people here will agree with that.

No, they are excluding women from the definition of " women" , because God forbid anything to do with female biology is linked with the word woman as it excludes male people who identify as women. All about the patriarchy. Transwoman still get to call themselves women, male privilege don't you know.

orwellwasright · 24/06/2022 10:39

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Brefugee · 24/06/2022 10:53

I think it's good to have these discussions in other places apart from the FWR boards.

I saw that tweet when it came out yesterday, the subsequent deletion and their many tweets afterwards in an attempt to bury it.

My issue isn't with "womb havers" my issue is with the lack of word women. So when these native women were forcibly steralised they weren't called up as "womb havers" they were selected based on their sex. And if we want to write about this awful thing, there is a need to use the word woman. But if we want to write about it in a sensitive and inclusive way we might describe it as "women and other people with wombs" which will make a lot of people roll their eyes, but will include transmen etc, so inclusive.

I did note a lot of people in the conversation using the word men, or referring to their sons. And that got pushback to show the ridiculousness of it all "ejaculators", "semen squirters" etc. The conclusion? The world is going mad.

Brefugee · 24/06/2022 10:55

Can't have it both ways, transphobes. Either your cervix is defining or it isn't.

there it is. There can be no sensible discussion as long as stupid statements like this are still a thing. I am neither a transphobe nor a terf, and i would welcome inclusive language. But there are women without wombs, as transwomen and people with hysterectomies know. So either they are women or not. But the womb doesn't define them.