Mick Lynch

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Anyone else here loving his work?

Interesting, @ApplesandBunions

Quite sad reading that as none of them are accurate.

We've seen what P&O did to their staff and brought in cheaper agency workers (condemned by Schapps but now proposed for the train drivers). TTIP is dead in the water. Austerity is a political choice of this govt and is still being imposed on people. Many European countries have nationalised railways and EU membership does not disallow that happening in the UK. www.christianwolmar.co.uk/2019/01/eu-membership-does-not-preclude-rail-renationalisation/

The EU Single Market was basically a Thatcherite initiative - people have short memories.

Not really. None of that means it was sensible for any left leaning person to support Brexit given who the bedfellows were and what the clear consequences were going to be.

We've seen what P&O did to their staff and brought in cheaper agency workers (condemned by Schapps but now proposed for the train drivers)

which was illegal and so now tidies changing the law to make this legal, after condemning this in the press 🤷‍♀️

Tory’s changing the law

this law was changed in 2018…

I'm not disagreeing with your opinion - just reminding about the history.
Some people seem to think the EU was some glorious egalitarian project.

I've been enjoying watching the Mick Lynch interviews, mainly because it's so refreshing to see someone answering questions they are asked.
Politics has become so evasive, we have got so used to seeing people answering the question they wanted to be asked, rather than the one they were asked, that when someone like ML comes along it's interesting.
I would hope that his new-found popularity will encourage others in public life to be more direct themselves. It's clearly what lots of people want to see.

I don't think anyone with sense believes that the EU is a "glorious egalitarian project".
Of course it is not.
The EU operates within a capitalist framework - which is not egalitarian by it's nature.

But to deliberately withdraw a nation from a single market of 28 countries - which has been the EU's greatest achievement - as well as the free movement of people and goods, is economic suicide.

I think MN has often been wrong. Referendum, Corbyn, Teresa May, Boris and his majority.
With such a consensus the poor chap seems doomed.

But to deliberately withdraw a nation from a single market of 28 countries - which has been the EU's greatest achievement - as well as the free movement of people and goods, is economic suicide.

Economic suicide which has played a significant role in driving the rampant inflation that's led to ML and the RMT's demands for massive pay rises.

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It's really odd that the EU has the same problem then - if ours is caused by Brexit, what's the cause, for example of 8.7% inflation in Germany as of May 2022?

www.statista.com/statistics/225698/monthly-inflation-rate-in-eu-countries/

It's weird that you say wrong, rather than representative of the user group which is different to the wider population.

And for that matter have been damaging for the interests of passengers too.

I think this point is relevant when discussing Mick Lynch's popularity. He's a socialist, but also comes across as reasonable and pragmatic.

When Theresa May's soft-ish Brexit deal was sinking without trace because of the batshit right in early 2019, she invited Corbyn in for talks. She wanted to know if there was a Brexit that Labour would vote for. But Corbyn's idealism meant that he had no interest in helping a Tory PM.

I look at Mick Lynch and feel like if he was in charge of Labour at that point, he would have sat there all night trying to get a Lexit deal. He might have made a breakthrough. He might not .. but he comes across as a leader, a sharp operator, someone who gets stuff done. I look at Corbyn and I see a classic hippy protestor who loves waving a placard around.

Corbyn was pro-Brexit anyway, right up until he wasn't.

War in Ukraine - for one thing.

He is coming across that way now, and I can see him being willing to sit at the table with whoever, but otoh merely being a left wing Leaver was in itself an act of idealism over pragmatism.

Surely the war in Ukraine affects us all?
The poster seemed to suggest that our "rampant" inflation was due to Brexit, but as the figures show, some EU countries are experiencing the same or higher levels of inflation so that doesn't make any sense.

It's less that I think Mick Lynch would have sorted Brexit out, more that he comes across as Left-wing and also effective. I didn't really warm to Blair's politics even in 1997, but he was focused on delivery and I respected that.

Do you think Britain is better off than Germany?
Really?

There are too many repeatedly nested quotes now. It’s getting hard to read and to follow who said what.

I agree. I thought the 'update' was meant to improve the site?

It's a pain scrolling past multiple 'nested' quotes for a one line reply. And it's often not clear who the reply was aimed at.

Do you think Britain is better off than Germany?
Really?
Hwy are you asking me about something I didn't say?
I didn't say that.
My question was to the poster who asserted that our rampant inflation was due to us leaving the EU. Since countries who have remained in the EU, and many others who were never in it have the same issue, that claim doesn't bear scrutiny.

I agree, it makes reading a thread repetitive, very long and boring. I prefer the old way of quoting.