Tories hit new low

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The Tories are planning to introduce a Bill of Rights which limits and removes human rights. If there was ever any moral high ground for the UK to tell other countries how to manage their affairs, this ends that. How dare the world expect us to honour the basic human rights of people?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61887933

I am in the same space. I think the UK is sliding into mediocrity. I don’t understand why the current government is hell bent on destroying it.

Just why are they doing things that make this once great country look insane and like a bunch of ignorant, backward people. They say it’s what the people want but that’s not true. Together with some newspapers, they mislead and misinform. Eventually, the very people who believe the nonsense find they are the ones who fall prey to these changes. Not the rich and mighty.

This is all to the benefit of the rich and powerful.

Best not break the news about the Do Not Resuscitate orders* update in the bill, then! Like turkeys voting for Christmas.

*prevents patients with health conditions objecting to DNRs placed on them without their consent.

Is anyone else thinking of leaving?

Because people are more terrified of Labour getting in than they are of the Tories. Better the devil you know.

people should be marching in the streets about this stuff. like they did about the poll tax.

Sweden - What is actually terrifying? What is happening in Ukraine is terrifying, living in North Korea would be terrifying

Yep and workers right will be eroded....we will have no court to appeal to either bow thanks to brexit

Also I have a strong belief that people primarily vote for a leader of a party, not the party itself. I think if Labour was fronted by the right person, they would get in.

I don’t think the general public relate to Keir Starmer. I think he has portrayed himself as weak, he hadn’t had the conviction to state the bloody obvious when it comes to gender ideology and that goes down poorly outside of London. Many people want the migration problem tackled, the Tories are trying to tackle it. Rightly or wrongly they are at least attempting to come up with ideas outside of ‘let everyone in’. They are also giving out money right and left, which kind of leaves Labour standing in the side lines as to what they would do differently.

The cost of living crisis is not easily solved. It’s a global issue. Russia wants global famine as a way to force the West to lift sanctions. They’ve literally said as much. So we’ve got to somehow ride this and giving 22% pay rises is just going to stoke inflation although I honestly have huge sympathy for the public sector workers asking for it. I don’t think any party can solve this and I think the UK out on the streets rioting absolutely won’t.

The Tories are reaching cartoonish levels of shit.
I have zero idea how anyone votes for them these days.
I’ve been on the fence about going back to Scotland. If they get independence I may just do it.

I also have almost completely lost faith in the British general public. It seems like everyone is just becoming colder to each other and empathy is forgotten about. People waxed poetic about how the Jubilee “bought the nation together”, so apparently looking out for each other doesn’t do that but waving at a hologram does.

@RudsyFarmer I agree with some of what you’ve said there, but it’s worth remembering that the migration problem is something that’s been created by the conservative government and used as a scapegoat for years, including being pushed in the mainstream media for years as a “problem”.

When normal people are polled though, immigration isn’t a high concern. And approval for the government’s handling of immigration recently is low.

It’s also worth realising that alternative plans to the Rwanda scheme have been offered - safe routes and resettlement schemes that would control immigration far more than the current uncontrolled boat crossings - but it’s the conservative government’s choice to not control immigration this way. Their spokespeople will tell us via the media that no-one’s offered a viable, workable solution, but that is not the truth. That’s what they want people to believe, so they don’t have to explain why they’re relying on uncontrolled immigration.

I'm Scottish. The sooner we get independence the better.

30s Germany anyone???

I’m Welsh and increasingly feeling the same way (about Wales, not Scotland!).

Personally I think theres a huge advantages to reinstating the death penalty.

I think the human rights act is currently used in ways that would have the original creators turning in their graves. We should be able to deport foreign born criminals.

Does this bill do the right job without there being huge drawbacks? Possibly not. Possibly it needs to be better. But one way or another the Human rights act does need tweaking.Lawyers exploit
loopholes and there are loopholes

(Goes without saying the Rwanda situation is horrific)

I agree OP, this issue doesn't matter which party you support. It is bad for us all democratically and will no doubt not be explained inadequately by the media who love to dumb everything down to soundbites and 'good' vs 'bad' rather talking about the detail.

Finally, I'm not happy about emotive issues such as immigration and Rwanda being used by the media reporting it as it detracts from understanding the proposed changes and makes people think the changes to legislation is related to those single issues when it has much wider repercussions for us all.

Going back to the requirement for photo ID.
We lived in Tower Hamlets when there was massive electoral Fraud. That was partly helped by not requiring voters to attend but send in a postal vote.

This has been talked about for a long time and no surprise. The point in debate about how it will erode the limited rights of rape victims who have used the current law to get some investigations, shows how little the Tories care for women.

They'll need someone to come up with a three word slogan first that'll cut through with simpletons.

Yes because all their lapdogs in the press will have demonised unions and strikes to such an extent by the next election. Plus the average Tory voter is retired anyway.

I honestly think the UK Bill of Rights will be a vote winner yes. I think the left has certainly captured the online platforms but when it’s votes on paper the stories will get in again. There’s an appetite for it.

They'll just get the Mail and the Murdoch press to spin it that human rights/lefty lawyers will stop the Rwanda flights, vote Tory if you want us to do something about it.

The Tories are masters at winning votes from people who are anti-immigration over the (failed) promise of preventing immigration. Not least the millions who voted Brexit over immigration.

I expect all the commentators with a sense of humour will introduce it as removing 'Winston Churchill's Court of Human Rights' to see Cabinet Ministers' melons' twist. Half heard a Today R4 interview which went part way there and the Cabinet Minister for Fuckwittedness abruptly stopped and really had to think about their words.

For all those suggesting that we can't deport foreign born criminals - we can and do. We ALSO deport people who may have committed criminal acts who were foolish enough to have been born abroad but have lived almost all their lives in the UK - how is that right? We ALSO deport people who have never done a wrong thing in their lives - anyone recall Windrush? We are ALSO intending to deport people to a third party country without proper consideration of their rights, their cases or the validity of their asylum claims. Nobody would suggest that it is wrong to consider whether someone should remain in the UK if they have somewhere else they can go and if their own actions make it questionable as to whether they should be allowed to live here. But that should never mean that we are allowed to do so without the proper consideration of their human rights. Lawyers do not exploit loopholes – they argue the law as it stands, and that role is critical to any functioning democracy. You may not care about the human rights of some people. You may think that some people don’t deserve to have their human rights protected. But when we “fast track” the denial of human rights for one person, it is another chip in the wall of your human rights….

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller

They’re not going to reintroduce the fucking death penalty 🙄 stop scaremongering

Scaremongering? Are you joking? Have you any idea how chilling this is? It's terrifying.

I cannot recall a government so callous, so cruel and determined to erode basic human and worker's rights whilst also being the most incompetent and inexperienced government in living memory. This Tory government's record of supporting women is a walking, talking disgrace.

It's a terrible combination. We're sleepwalking into dark times with this.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

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