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Why is my bolognese so Bland? Any tips from good cooks?

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UsernameA1B2 · 21/06/2022 15:41

I fry onions, carrots, celery and lean beef mince in a pan. Drain off excess fat. Then add tinned tomatoes, tomatoe puree, pepper, garlic, and italian herbs and leave to simmer. It tastes quite bland, what I am doing wrong? Any advice?

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TheBoots · 21/06/2022 16:27

Fry the onions celery and carrot with bacon bits before you add the mince, it should get some colour. Then add at least 3 cloves of garlic, minced, with your mince. Fry it to get some colour, then add half a glass of red wine, tomato puree, tinned tomatoes, beef stock and oregano. Cook it right down so it's quite thick. Stir through fresh basil leaves before you serve it.

MigsandTiggs · 21/06/2022 16:27

Use fresh herbs esp thyme, and oregano, as your dried herbs have probably lost their flavour from sitting too long in the cupboard.
Sauté chopped onions with several cloves of crushed garlic, add mince and pancetta. Cook. Next add chopped tomatoes or passata, half cup of red wine and tomato puree, beef stock cube, worcestershire sauce, black pepper, pinch of sugar. Adjust seasoning (salt) and simmer.
I also add chopped sweet green peppers to mine.

AppleWax · 21/06/2022 16:28

Salt, Butter and two/three squares of dark chocolate

UniversalAunt · 21/06/2022 16:29

Two pans or two stages.

Fry the finely chopped onion, carrot & celery (softito) slowly in butter until softened, throw in chopped pancetta & sweat fry the fat out into the vegetables, then 1tsp dried herbs, couple of bay leaves & generous dollop tbsp of tomato purée. Add freshly ground black pepper. In a perfect world I’d pull off a few fresh leaves of Oregano growing on my windowsill. Hold off adding salt for now if you are using stock cube.

Other pan fry the beef/pork mince off oil in small batches so that it fries rather than sweats.When meat browned, remove from pan leaving the fat & watery solids behind.

Add fried off mince into other pan, add vegetable/beef stock cube to match the volume of passata you are about to add. Add minimal hot water at this stage.

Cook on gentle simmer for at least half hour, taste/check pan not sticking at bottom/add tipple hot water at times & taste again five minutes before you serve to be sure the seasoning is right. Add pinch salt if that is what is needed.

About 10 minutes before end of planned cook, I throw in chunky chopped fresh tomatoes & handful chopped parsley to lift it up a bit.

Quick cheats: dry fry off chopped up Kabanos in lieu of panchetta, gives a nice herby parprika base. Waitrose do a nifty sun dried tomato in olive oil in a jar that lasts ages in the fridge - sometimes I throw a couple of the tomatoes in at the start so that they melt down in the cook & sometimes throw a glug of the richly tomato flavoured oil in just before serving.

Pinkishpurple · 21/06/2022 16:29

20% fat pork and beef mince mixed

DisforDarkChocolate · 21/06/2022 16:31

www.spendwithpennies.com/slow-cooker-spaghetti-bolognese/

Try this recipe, and don't drain any fat.

Verite1 · 21/06/2022 16:31

I use beef stock and right at the end add a splash of good balsamic as well. If I want it extra rich, I also add an extra rich Knorr beef stock just before taking off the heat. I occasionally add red wine.

Glitteratitar · 21/06/2022 16:31

Agree with what everyone else said - extra herbs, just as loads, more garlic, and some Worcestershire sauce too, as well as a beef stock. And also a bit of sugar to balance out the acidity of the tomatoes.

I don’t add salt because I cook for a toddler too, but the above should be enough to give it some flavour.

SausageRoll2020 · 21/06/2022 16:32

You don't mention salt and pepper, presume you are adding these essentials.
You might also need a teaspoon or so of sugar as it's a tomato based dish.
Glug of wine /Worcester sauce as mentioned up thread should also work well

Hallmark1234 · 21/06/2022 16:32

Add all the extra seasonings as suggested and make it the day before it's going to be eaten.

I do this with stews, casseroles, bolognese etc

SausageAndCash · 21/06/2022 16:33

Teaspoonful of sugar
Small slug of wine vinegar.
Salt
Stock.
More herbs, garlic and pepper.

No Worcestershire sauce or ketchup.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 21/06/2022 16:34

Stock cubes - one chicken, one beef.

Lots of black pepper.

And as a pp said, don’t drain the fat off. Use lower fat mince if you want.

SpiderinaWingMirror · 21/06/2022 16:35

Mine is as yours except
Add smoked bacon at the start. Add Worcestershire sauce. Add garlic. Add 2 oxo cubes. Don't drain off fat. Maybe chuck in some white wine if i have any left. Bayleaf, basil, oregano and thyme. Pepper. 2 tins of good Tom's, or one tin plus passata (no water). Once it's been cooking for 40 mins, chuck in some fresh mushrooms. Cook for another 15.

ConnectedToSandsview · 21/06/2022 16:35

I do my mince in thirds:
1/3 extra lean beef mince
1/3 normal fatty beef mince
1/3 pork mince

i add lardons

Lots of decent red wine

balsamic vinegar (not Worcester sauce, cos how is that Italian)

more herbs than you think necessary

fuckton of garlic

no carrots or celery, cos celery is the devils work.

cook forever.

my Italian mate accepts this as a good English Bolognaise. His is clearly superior, as he follows his mamas recipe. But this is apparently an acceptable version for when I cook for us.

LesGiselle · 21/06/2022 16:36

Good tinned whole plum tomatoes, drained and crushed
Smoked lardons
Don't pour away fat
Splash of vinegar
Red or white wine, properly reduced
Little milk
Lots of bay
My best tip - always simmer a parmesan rind with the ragu, and take your time over each stage - especially the sofrito. Flavour takes time.

AclowncalledAlice · 21/06/2022 16:36

Wine, Worchestershire sauce, a bit of brown sugar.

LesGiselle · 21/06/2022 16:37

...yes, a ton more garlic than most recipes suggest.

maddiemookins16mum · 21/06/2022 16:37

Smoked bacon and not so lean beef (fat is flavour), some mince is so lean you may aswell use soya mince.

LesGiselle · 21/06/2022 16:38

Freshly ground black pepper - never the powdery stuff, and preferably not ready ground.

ArcheryAnnie · 21/06/2022 16:39

The first thing you put in the pan is some finely chopped anchovies and chicken livers. You won't detect these in the finished dish - they will "melt" as you fry off your onions - but they will add a ton of umami and flavour.

UniversalAunt · 21/06/2022 16:41

Quality of mince does make a difference.
Supermarket mince can be very watery, so although I cook said mince to dark brown, some of the stuff left in the pan is meh. I prefer to lift browned mince out into tomato etc base & add glug of olive oil.

Good beef & pork mince from the butcher - i.e. dry from the counter, not sealed in a sweaty plastic container - is another matter & that fat has flavour.

womaninatightspot · 21/06/2022 16:41

Leave in the fat. I swap out a can of plum tomatoes with a can of cherry tomatoes and a decent pinch of smoked paprika. Simmer it slowly for a couple of hours or make the day before like a PP suggested.

UniversalAunt · 21/06/2022 16:42

Hush now, anchovies are the secret ingredient, ‘specially for gravy with roast lamb.
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FoggySpecs · 21/06/2022 16:43

For me the game changer was draining the tinned tomatoes, so use two tins drain off the juice instead of plopping them in. Cook the whole thing slowly so simmering for hours and yes salt and sugar make a difference

FatOaf · 21/06/2022 16:43

More garlic. Much more garlic. And black pepper and more tomato puree.

Your cat should be frightened to go near it. (Garlic is toxic to cats.)

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