Roundabout who was in the wrong?

[UsernameA1B2]

I am new to driving but still think I was not in the wrong. If I am can someone explain why thanks. I have attached a diagram to explain. I am the blue car and the blue line shows the path I am taking. I was using my indicators. The orange car is the other car in questions and the orange line is the path they deciced to take. They did not indicate and I did not know they wanted to change lane on roundabout until I got on. When I got onto roundabout (the outer lane) the car decided to change to my lane (see the orange line going from inner lane to outer lane) then pip their horn and then speed past me after both exiting roundabout and give me the middle finger. I am wrong to have got into the lane indicated in diagram (the outer lane) on roundabout when that lane was clear and only the inner lane had a car in it. Thanks sorry if not clear.

I’ve got a two Lane round about near me, two Lane entrance two lane exit.
more often than not one Lane ALWAYS drifts into the other. I’m ready for it as I know it, i don’t know why people drift it. You follow your Lane.

Orange car was on the roundabout and SHOULD have indicated left as they passed the junction before the one they wanted, so if they didn't indicate that was wrong, HOWEVER they were on the roundabout and you pulled out in front of them so that makes you in the wrong.

As a new driver you will find there are some irresponsible, careless drivers so you have to be the 'sensible' one to second guess what they are/are not going to do and take extra care in what you do.

Remember it's better for the a-hole driver to be Infront of you rather than behind you!

Still shocked at the vast majority parroting 'give way to the left' and blatantly ignoring the orange car's poor lane control.

My city would grind to a halt if people didn't use that left Lane as OP tried to use it. Fortunately the traffic is heavy enough that cars have few opportunities to cut across as the orange car did.

Yes, based on your diagram, you were in the wrong.

Give way to cars from the right.

I'd always urge a LOT more caution at roundabouts to a new driver. When you get experienced, you'll know how to judge it better, when to go and when to wait. Generally, if it's not 100% clear what another vehicle is doing, it's best to wait.

I wouldn't worry about it personally though. No harm done. Being a new driver is full of these little learning experiences, and you'll be more cautious next time, and ultimately be a better driver. I've been driving nearly 20 years now, and meet new scenarios all the time still!

You are in the wrong.
The orange car should have indicated before changing lanes unless it was a mini roundabout, so was also wrong, but people are so lazy about indicating that you cannot trust them at all.
Don't trust other drivers on roundabouts.

I failed a driving test for indicating off a roundabout when I was going straight over.

i do it now as its best practice to let everyone know what your doing

I think there's been some harsh comments on this thread.. i also think you've handled and accepted the feedback and your responses incredibly well tbh good for you ..lesson learned .. nobody harmed and you won't do it again ..

According to your diagram the Orange car was using the inside lane until they came to their exit and then manoeuvred to the outside lane at their exit. Exactly. The inside Lane at that point becomes the lane used by cars continuing around the roundabout. It might be used by cars turning off at your junction at busy times or slow traffic by then taking the turning using the outside lane all the way. But there was no reason for them to turn into the exit in the outside lane as it was clear…well it was until you stuck your car into the inside lane without warning once they committed.
they were in wrong as they should indicate left as they approach exit they are taking…contrary to what folks are saying you don’t not indicate if going straight on..cars on left giving way don’t see where you come from to know it is straight across. It hacks me off that people don’t indicate left to say they are exiting the roundabout- but that ship sailed long ago.

but Op, never pull out of roundabout in front of car on it, unless they expressly indicating they are staying on roundabout by a right indicator going. even then I tend to be very cautious as some folks may forget to switch indicator form right to left . Yep. It happens. It’s a hell of a risk to second guess which lane they might choose, or whether they’re going straight on, turning, or going to stop for a fag break. You don’t know and never try to second guess another driver. Just wait till they’ve passed and the road is clear and there is no doubt at all you are safe to manoeuvre. It’s better to wait a few minutes than face insurance excess and all the hassle of fixing your car and theirs, and the increased insurance premiums.

Sounds like just pride got hurt so no harm done…live and learn from it…we were all newbie drivers once and got it wrong at times, this is called experience😉

Oh, your diagram is advanced driver standard by the way…A star for that 😊🤣

You were in the wrong. Firstly, you give way to the right. Secondly, they did not have to indicate immediately as they were going straight across.

They should have indicated left to exit, though.

I am learning to drive and if they were not indicating at all I would not have gone until it was clear what they were doing. I'd assume they may have been indicating, it perhaps went off and they might be about to indicate left for the next exit.

In the grand scheme of things it's minor. Put it behind you and in future never assume what another motorist 'should' do - wait until they make it obvious.

@picklemewalnuts exactly this, the orange car displayed poor lane discipline - there are multiple lanes there for a reason and greater traffic throughput will be achieved by using them all - properly.

I can't be the only person reading this thread and wanting to respond to 90% of comments with 'but you don't need to change lanes to exit a 2 lane roundabout!' It's dangerous and poor driving practice that would fail you in a driving test.

A hell of a lot of people telling OP to get a driving refresher could do with one themselves.

OP has absolutely taken on board the treat all other drivers like idiots rule. They don't need more kicking. Hope you are okay.

Absolutely

I second that

Good work

Having read all the OPs replies - fair play for taking the feed back and learning a lesson (yes you were in the wrong but have aknowleged it). Driving is a constant learning excersise and new drivers will make mistakes like this. The important thing - as long as no harm was done- is to do better next time.
I only say this as the OPs replies contrast strongly with anther recent post where the poster (another young / new driver) was also in the wrong but threw a hissy fit at everyone explaining this to her!
Chalk it up to experience OP and remember for next time!

Where I live (overseas), the orange car would be in the wrong as in a multi-laned roundabout, the rules here are you stay in your lane and as the orange car was in the right hand lane going into the roundabout, needs to exit in the right hand lane. A work colleague was in this exact situation where someone changed lanes and swiped their car as they were turning left, the other car was deemed to be at fault for not exiting in the correct lane.

the thing is, yes we know the OP is wrong - you give way to the right

but the “they obviously have to change lanes at some point…”

ok…

but at which point is actually in the Highway Code?

so few posters on here seem to know this, or even care about it

you are meant to exit the roundabout in the lane you’re in (in his case, the right hand lane) and then change lanes AFTER exiting.

yet so many folk use the two lanes ON a roundabout as their personal fiefdom, carving across no matter what is in the left lane - even if the car in the left has entered from the same direction as them (and therefore they should be aware of them)

Of course it's fine to change lanes on a roundabout.

The Highway Code itself states:
When taking an exit to the right or going full circle (unless signs or markings indicate otherwise):
Signal right and approach the exit in the right hand lane
Keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to reach your exit
Signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you intend to take

How do you think anyone who wants to get off at an exit after 12 o'clock (i.e. one for which they should be in the right-hand lane when entering the roundabout) is going to get off the roundabout if they don't change into the left hand lane at some point?!

Please stop asserting yourself as some kind of authority on roundabouts when you don't know what you're talking about.

@pixie5121 Keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to reach your exit

But in this case, they didn’t need to change lanes to exit. The lane they were in was a lane for the same exit.

So how are they supposed to get to the exit when they're in the inside lane without at least crossing the outside lane?

Please tell me how you think this magic happens.

You are in the wrong. You always give way to traffic on your right , it is irrelevant that they changed lanes - how were they supposed to exit the roundabout then!

Most roundabouts have markings which guide traffic off so although they move outwards they aren’t actually changing lanes.

I'm with you @UrsulaPandress - I'm very surprised how someone could have managed to pass a driving test without having a firm understanding about the workings of a roundabout and when to enter/exit them and how to signal when on them.

@UsernameA1B2 - if you're not sure, you wait until the area is clear of traffic before entering. You can't just drive on to a roundabout if there is another vehicle on it before you. You don't know what they are going to do (even with indicators flashing, they could have selected the wrong indicator).

You were in the wrong here @UsernameA1B2 . Use this as a good learning experience and take your time the next time.