Roundabout who was in the wrong?

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I am new to driving but still think I was not in the wrong. If I am can someone explain why thanks. I have attached a diagram to explain. I am the blue car and the blue line shows the path I am taking. I was using my indicators. The orange car is the other car in questions and the orange line is the path they deciced to take. They did not indicate and I did not know they wanted to change lane on roundabout until I got on. When I got onto roundabout (the outer lane) the car decided to change to my lane (see the orange line going from inner lane to outer lane) then pip their horn and then speed past me after both exiting roundabout and give me the middle finger. I am wrong to have got into the lane indicated in diagram (the outer lane) on roundabout when that lane was clear and only the inner lane had a car in it. Thanks sorry if not clear.

Don't trust indicators (or lack of) on a roundabout. Just wait until there's enough of a gap for you to get on without the other car needing to slow down if they happen to be heading in the same direction. People do silly things on roundabouts.

Looks like you pulled out in front of them. You always give way to the right. Regardless of what lane they were in when you wanted to enter the roundabout.

Given that there are two lanes for the exit, if the orange car had stayed in that lane, all would have been fine. I think it depends a bit on the markings on the roundabout.

So do you always give way to people on right in both lanes even if you want the outer lane and they are in inner lane?

She might have been indicating, but her bulb was gone. Never assume and never put yourself in the way of someone already on the roundabout - they have priority. Also, she wouldn't have been able to see that your left indicator was on.

Ahh come on, this isn’t helpful or nice. We all make mistakes when we are new to driving. Not a mistake she’ll make again I would imagine!

You wait to see what they are doing.

Yes! People on the roundabout have right of way. Do not enter the roundabout unless it's clear.

Yes, that is correct. 😊

There are two lanes on road exiting roundabout as well and I assume if you are in inner lane you use the lane on the right? And there is plenty of time to switch lanes after exiting

Never assume what someone will do, changing lanes is common on a roundabout. You failed to give way to the right so are the one in the wrong. Just learn from it, mistakes happen.

I do yes you never know if they may be changing lanes

Seriously where you not taught how to use roundabout?

You can't assume they will go to the other lane. I do know what you mean. But, you must give way to the right.

Regardless of what lane they are in, not indicating or changing their plans at the last second, they have right of way.

Yes I'd always wait until it was clear both lanes as you just don't know where any car on the roundabout is going for definite especially if no indicators, so you shouldn't pull out

You were definitely in the wrong; as pp's have said you give way to drivers on your right. It's possible the other driver came from the left entrance, so turning right and in the right lane, until just before the exit you were coming onto the r-a-b from, so wouldn't be moving over to the left until he'd passed your exit. He should be able to turn off left knowing that no one should be in that lane. I've had someone do this to me; I was turning right, in the right lane, until I crossed to the left, just before my exit, but another driver assumed I was going all the way round and pulled onto the r-a-b and couldn't understand why I tooted her!

I've also seen drivers approaching a r-a-b in the left lane, but going all the way round, to either turn right, or go all the way round, so right in the path of anyone turning left.

Traffic already on roundabout approaching from your right hand side has right of way at all times. You, on the other hand, don't have right of way as you're behind give way markings.

From your graphic, it looks like the other vehicle was going straight on and they don't need to indicate to turn off until they are at the point just past the turning before their exit- where your car was stationary. At that point, the other vehicle would have needed to indicate then - not before.

See my RAC diagram attached.

So, yes, you were in the wrong here.

How many times do you need to question her ? You are coming across quite unkind

She's a new driver who's asking a question
She'll take heed of the answer and continue to grow in confidence

Give it a rest

Yes of course you are wrong! Anything to your right you give way to. How'd you expect the blue car to take that exit without moving to the left lane. Yes they should have indicated but you don't rely on that.

Always drive as if everyone else is an idiot and someone who doesn't know what indicators are. (I passed my test in 1964)

@UrsulaPandress you’re being a dick.

Never assume someone is going to be in what you think is in the right lane. If you enter the roundabout and there's someone already on it and you have a collision, it's your fault. Regardless of what lane they're in.

People make mistakes or perhaps they couldn't get across to the outer lane.

The safest thing to do is just wait until there are no cars before pulling out.

Yes you always give way to anything from your right if it might cross your path.

The other thing to bear in mind is that the onus is on the driver joining the roundabout (or road) to make sure it's clear. It's similar to if you to pull out from a side road onto a main road you should never rely on someone indicating left as the OK to pull out in front of them.

You’d have to know the roundabout to know that both lanes do go off and there’s room after you exit to change lanes. My sat nav says take the next exit then I’m about to move over to the left hand lane regardless of it looking like maybe there’s two lanes or not. Otherwise I might miss the exit as I’m in the wrong lane and end up having to go the whole way around again.

so yes one or two lanes give way to already moving traffic on the roundabout. For the sake of a few seconds waiting it’s not worth the risk of a crash.

they didn’t need to be so rude to you though but they were in the right. You were lucky this time.