Roundabout who was in the wrong?

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I am new to driving but still think I was not in the wrong. If I am can someone explain why thanks. I have attached a diagram to explain. I am the blue car and the blue line shows the path I am taking. I was using my indicators. The orange car is the other car in questions and the orange line is the path they deciced to take. They did not indicate and I did not know they wanted to change lane on roundabout until I got on. When I got onto roundabout (the outer lane) the car decided to change to my lane (see the orange line going from inner lane to outer lane) then pip their horn and then speed past me after both exiting roundabout and give me the middle finger. I am wrong to have got into the lane indicated in diagram (the outer lane) on roundabout when that lane was clear and only the inner lane had a car in it. Thanks sorry if not clear.

OP if you only take away one thought from this thread, assume the other driver is an idiot, always going to turn left, so just wait till they are past you, till you move, you will save yourself from ever having a crash.

I wouldn't say 'most' do. The one in OP's diagram certainly doesn't. There's literally no way to get into either the left or the right-hand lane of the exit road without moving across that outside lane. I can't believe this isn't obvious.

Always give way to the right - you were in the wrong

Fine. But that wasn’t where they needed to move across for that exit from that lane. So they should have indicated.

^This - it's really simple.

Good point - OP should get MN award for best roundabout diagram ever.

Whoever is on roundabout, has priority. Orange car should have changed lanes sooner, but you have no right to enter roundabout when he's there and there's a risk he'd have to brake because of your action. Indicator is no indication, I'd say. Never trust someone's indicator or lack of it.

Orange car shouldn't have changed lanes at all.

Problem is, the Highway Code clearly states the other driver didn't need to indicate UNTIL they have just passed where the OP was entering from.

In other words, OP went prematurely and jumped the gun. Hence, always follow the rule that traffic approaching from the right has right of way.

Especially as OP was behind give way markings.

They should have been indicating left after passing the exit where OP entered, to signal a) that they were leaving the roundabout at the next exit and b) that they were obviously going to need to move into the left-hand lane to do so.

We only have OP's word that they didn't indicate, and given that she failed to notice that they had right of way and failed to understand why they needed to move into the outside lane, I'm not sure I'd trust it.

Yes, they should have just somehow teleported to the exit road to get off the roundabout.

Some real bright sparks on here.

Actually I read 'orange car shouldn't have changed lanes at all' to read that Orange car should have entered the roundabout on the left lane. I always believed it's left lane if you are skipping one junction to go straight ahead, right hand lane if going and and further. So actually teleporting not necessary, just using the correct lane from the beginning .....

Exactly.

The orange car did exactly what they were supposed to do.

They went into the inside lane on entering the roundabout because they were taking an exit after 12 o'clock.

They started to move over into the outside lane after passing the exit where OP entered the roundabout, in good time to avoid suddenly needing to cut in last minute and potentially cut someone up.

They literally had no option but to move into that outside lane to get off the roundabout, whichever lane of the exit road they were planning to use, because that's how roads work. Cars can't fly.

OP seems to think they should have been indicating BEFORE she joined the roundabout, so she'd know they were going to switch lane. No. That would have made other drivers think the orange car was going to turn off at the exit where OP entered, and could have caused an accident.

OP is completely wrong - pulling out when she did basically blocked the orange car from taking the line they were intending to take, meaning that the orange car would have had to stamp on the brakes as she cut them up or suddenly drive around her, altering course and potentially cutting up another car on the inside lane, to get into the right-hand lane of the exit road. And she's surprised they gave her the finger.

The other driver was completely correct. OP forced them to take evasive action, which is a major on the driving test. She also failed to give way to the right on a roundabout, another major. She also failed to observe what the orange car was very clearly doing, another major. How does this woman have a driving licence?

Sigh.

How do you think a car is ever going to be able to get off the roundabout if they're in the inside lane and can't move over?

The orange car was - correctly - using the inside lane because their intended exit was after 12 o'clock. They still needed to move over to the left-hand lane before exiting, because you can't get from the inside lane to the exit road without doing that.

It's not complicated.

@pixie5121 quit with your "sighing". It's rude.

Orange car could have easily exited the roundabout in the right hand lane and there would have been no middle finger waving at all. This roundabout has two lanes both on entering and exiting.

Well yes exactly. I thought the "bright sparks" of MN would have that basic comprehension. But alas.

The orange car was going straight and entered in the right hand lane and so should've exited in the right hand lane (while indicating left off the roundabout). OP was turning left in the left hand lane. They never should have been aiming for the same piece of tarmac.

But that's not generally how roundabouts work though. The driver with priority is able to pick and choose which lane they want to take. All the OP needed to do was wait till the car had passed and then entered the roundabout.

The only time lane discipline is particularly relevant is when two cars enter the roundabout simultaneously and are going straight ahead (for example).

I see some massive fuckwittery in Milton Keynes but mostly people know the rules, irrespective of who indicates or not, or how many lanes there are.

This happened to me last night. I was the orange car so here is my take on it.

I WAS correctly in the outside lane of the roundabout ready to come off it. But the CF car (Blue) is edging out, not sitting at the give way at all. In fact he never did stop (Like 90% of people at roundabouts these days), they slow down and hope they arent going to be inconvenienced into stopping. So i am on full alert and have to edge in a bit knowing that if i did maintain proper position i would take the front corner of CF (Blue) off. CF (Blue) sees this as a signal for him to take full advantage and pulls out completely and i hit the horn. CF(Blue) doesnt knowthat if i had done everything by the book, we would 100% had an accident. He didnt even acknowledge he did anything wrong.

Orange car is in the incorrect lane agreed, however, many people take the incorrect lane at roundabouts and it's amazing how 8/10 people indicate incorrectly at roundabouts... So always ensure right is clear / plenty of time for you to move off safely & do not assume the driver on the right is going where you think they are as most likely they are in wrong lane not indicating correctly and it would be your fault if you crash.

Another point is that the person on the roundabout, going straight ahead, would have a slightly better view of the road they were entering than the person turning into it from the left. So they would be aware of any obstruction in that road while you might not yet be.

You should assume that they might take either lane. As they would be OK to, anyway.

Oh yes, absolutely. Always assume other cars at roundabouts don't know how to drive.

Roundabout near me has left lane as left only and right lane as straight and right turn. So I would follow the orange car exactly and e annoyed if someone pulled out in front of me almost causing a crash.