Roundabout who was in the wrong?

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I am new to driving but still think I was not in the wrong. If I am can someone explain why thanks. I have attached a diagram to explain. I am the blue car and the blue line shows the path I am taking. I was using my indicators. The orange car is the other car in questions and the orange line is the path they deciced to take. They did not indicate and I did not know they wanted to change lane on roundabout until I got on. When I got onto roundabout (the outer lane) the car decided to change to my lane (see the orange line going from inner lane to outer lane) then pip their horn and then speed past me after both exiting roundabout and give me the middle finger. I am wrong to have got into the lane indicated in diagram (the outer lane) on roundabout when that lane was clear and only the inner lane had a car in it. Thanks sorry if not clear.

And as a new driver, it's safer to assume that you're wrong to be honest.

I agree with others who say you were in the wrong.

You need to give way to those from the right, irrespective of indication unless:

1. There is a clearly divided/segregated lane for which to continue left.
2. You are already on the roundabout when someone from the right enters the roundabout, or they're far away enough for you to safety manoeuvre.

The second is one that most people forget or don't realise. People coming from the right don't always have right of way, but it seems that you entered when the other car was approaching, which is wrong.

As other have said they had priority, yes they could have stayed in that lane but they don’t have too. Unfortunately lots of people don’t indicate correctly on roundabouts.

Yes — in fact, I was specifically taught to spiral out on the roundabout to get into the left hand lane. Especially if there was a hill afterwards, my car wasn't terribly nippy!

Was about to say this. Assume other drivers are incompetent. Especially at junctions and roundabouts.

I understand why you don't think you're wrong but you are wrong.

Thanks for responses ill be more cautious on roundabouts in future.

And you passed your test without knowing to give way to traffic coming from the right on a roundabout .

mmmmmm

It's totally wrong of them to change lanes while going straight over the roundabout on a two lane road.

However I wonder if this is a change in driving technique because SO MANY people do this and seem to think it's correct- it's not.

But because so many people do this - even though it's wrong - you really can't pull out just because someone is in that lane, as its 50/50 whether they will blindly squash you. Not worth it.

How am I being a dick? How rude.

I’m astounded that someone can have such little knowledge of a fundamental part of driving and I’m querying if she was not taught how to use roundabouts whilst learning to drive.

This is the problem.

New drivers are taught the opposite in these examples (two lane entrance and exits) but people who learnt longer ago haven't changed their style.

Don't worry about it, as we all make mistakes. The important thing is that you've asked and are prepared to accept being in the wrong. You won't always be wrong, irrespective of how many middle fingers you get shown!

Some people just don't like being beeped at for doing something wrong and will tell you to F off anyway 😂

Yes, give way to anything on your right AND anything about to be on your right.(in other words, look out for people approaching the roundabout)

Do NOT assume people will indicate when they should OR that they'll do what they're indicating.

Drive like they're all fucking idiots and you'll rarely be wrong!

That's irrelevant.

You are required to ALWAYS give way to approaching traffic already on the roundabout for safety reasons.

Only when they've passed you and your route is clear with no other vehicle with right of way approaching from your right can you then safely join the roundabout.

Anything can happen if you join a roundabout ahead of another vehicle with right of way. Even if its a two lane one.

Don't do it as its not worth the risk.

I understand what you are saying, they could have exited by staying in the other lane. Sadly, you have to assume everyone else is a knob and wants to crash into you.

I would really recommend a Pass Plus or advanced driving course. Both of which hone your skills. The advanced course really teaches you how to drive defensively. I found both were well worth the investment of time and money.

Some councils run a scheme whereby if you are under a certain age when you pass the advanced course, they refund you half, followed by the other half refunded by the IAM.

You are in the wrong.

You give way to the right on roundabouts (how can you not know this even if new to driving?!).

The orange car should have indicated, yes, but manoeuvre wise they did the right thing in terms of moving over to the left lane to exit as soon as they'd passed the previous exit. They couldn't as you were in the way.

YES! How else do they ever get off the roundabout unless they cross lanes?!

To the posters going 'she's a new driver'....are you serious? She is a danger on the roads!

The fact you need to give way at roundabouts is something you should be aware of within your first few lessons. How this woman somehow managed to pass her test is terrifying. I know so many people who are great drivers and know the rules inside out who failed on stupid things, and someone who doesn't know you need to give way to the right has a full licence?!

I don't think you were in the wrong, OP.

There were two lanes so the other driver could have merged after exiting.

Giving the finger etc shows what an arsehole he was!

I find drivers that stop on a roundabout to give way to a car that's miles away when there's plenty of time to merge in. Or worse, they stop when nothing is coming!

You're fine.

You shouldn't have pulled out. You have to give way to both lanes of traffic on a roundabout, no matter which way you're going. You need to leave the outer lane free for people on the inside lane to filter into.

Taken from the Highway Code website.

SushiGo, that's interesting. I only passed in the last 15 years, so I suspect there are many many more people taught the "old way" than the new about on the roads.

(I promise I indicate though!)

Oh yes, very much in the wrong.

Always give way to the right, don’t enter the roundabout until it is clear of traffic. Roundabouts can be tricky but you can’t pull out in front of people.

Well you’re wrong too. You should always give way to what is already on the roundabout

The blue car was wrong.