What is with these fragile men?

[PashunFroot]

Went through a drive thru this evening, ordered at the speaker and then pulled forward as much as I could but as it was rammed I couldn’t pull forward anymore.

omg the tantrum that the tiny dicked Mercedes man had behind me. Screaming “you fucking cunt!” “I’ll smash your head you fucking whore!” Etc while aggressively slamming forwards as if he was going to ram the back of my car. I just laughed at him in my mirror which made him even angrier but Jesus Christ I’ve never seen anything like it! The men in the van next to us were also laughing at him and out of spite I just sat and let the next 3 cars go ahead of me.

What actually is wrong with people. I guarantee if I was a man, or had my hangry husband with me he wouldnt have done any of those things to me.

Because I had my kids with me I felt like I then couldn’t go and park up invade he approached the car. All that over not being able to a bloody burger straight away.

But I've seen countless news reports over road rage that ends in violence over the years and it's always man on man. I've being witness to several verbal tirades and verbal attacks that almost got physical over the years in road rage incidents and again it's always male on male.

Not saying that women don't get targeted to in road rage incidents, they certainly do. But the assumption that when a woman gets abused in some way by a man on mn is the ''men would never do/say that to another man'' is rubbish.

@SurfBox but we are not talking about the cases where it end up in physical altercation, but the majority where it is verbal aggression and as a female let me tell you that happens a lot and most are shocked when they are dared to be answered back to by a female, they expect you to just take it...unless you are PP that lives in a bubble.

Are you in America OP?

I never said that women don't get targeted by verbal tirades. I said men do too and often they can get worse. I said it because people go on these threads as if we are the only ones who ever get targeted by these scum.

@RedHelenB no, Devon.

..and then everyone clapped

The common denominator is male aggression, whether against women or other men. It's largely men doing this.

The common denominator is male aggression, whether against women or other men. It's largely men doing this

nobody said it wasn't and you just seem to want to point out the old mn cliche ''mean are all scum''. My point was that people say ''men wouldn't do that to another man'' when yes they do and would.

Well, yes. Mean (people) are scum. I completely agree with you on that.

It doesn't change the fact that you are trying to make this a "What About The Men" discussion, when they were not even a topic of conversation.

And you should not forget that most of these men are cowards and would not get into a confrontation with another man. There are men who, sure, but that's not what we are talking about here.

So kindly stop trying to derail things.

nobody said it wasn't and you just seem to want to point out the old mn cliche ''mean are all scum

men are all scum, not mean

Dd used to work in a fast food place whilst at uni.
There are a lot of nasty evil people out there trust me.

*It doesn't change the fact that you are trying to make this a "What About The Men" discussion, when they were not even a topic of conversation.

And you should not forget that most of these men are cowards and would not get into a confrontation with another man. There are men who, sure, but that's not what we are talking about here.

So kindly stop trying to derail things*

I derailed nothing, people stated men wouldn't target/abuse other men like that and I pointed out that they do all the time. You then came on and said that it all boils down to men at the end of the day which was not relevant to the point I'd made and so it is you who is ''derailing'' things.

Ofcourse being mn you expected to get support with your man bashing but you didn't get it now so you will say I am derailing things when no that was you honey x

Honey, how was I man-bashing? Because I didn't in the disclaimer #NoAllMen or #MenToo?

Are you male. @Notanotherwindow ?
Or female, but combat trained?

If the answer to either of these is "no" - all you are doing in imagining a hammer will save you is handing a weapon to an aggressor.

Do you think you could get a swing in before he caught your arm, with his faster quick-twitch muscle advantage? Do you think your hands are strong enough to prevent him from taking it from you with his 60% more powerful-than-yours upper body strength?

Apologies if you are either male, or martially trained.
But even if you are - this is rubbish advice for women facing male aggression.

Dunno about an apology OP.

Come back & tell us yourself, after your next incident, when some lunatic you think you are being all bold & brave to decides to take it out on you - or your kids.

The PP didn't ask you for an apology. Bit chippy to extrapolate that from concern for your future welfare.

Your snippiness to PP comes over like you are proud of your temper, & boasting about your self-perceived 'bravery'.

You risked your kids - the ones you said he could see, in the car.
Fine to get yourself embroiled with fuckwits, if that's your bag. Not sure why you potentially embroiled your kids, then came to MN to seek plaudits for it.
If you find yourself doing something this daft again, maybe get some help with anger management, rather than taking to social media to tell the world how you Just Can't Help Yourself.

well you know the MN refrain @Louise0701 ...
"Diagram - or it didn't happen!"

I'm very puzzled by the whole parking/stuck/unable to move forward/BUT able to let other cars out in front of me/ logic, but then again I'm a drivethru' virgin so what do I know ..?

Well yes exactly, what do you know?

If it helps many drive thrus have 2 ordering lanes before merging in to one to get to the windows to pay/collect

Who's asking you to?

There's a whole world of behaviour options available to you, in between the black & white thinking of either "cowering meekly" or "choosing to wind up an already aggressive male".

And I say this as a person who is quite far from meek.
I've even fended off my own aggressive bully of a road rager, by refusing to back down. But I had a huge man-trained dog sitting in the van's cab with me. Mr Road Rage got a surprise, when he yanked open the panel door & found himself face to face with several stones worth of offended dog, attached to a bark-on-command mouth full of seize-it-on-command teeth ...
Were there kids in the car? No, because I am not a child-risking eejit.

You could have got your phone out & recorded him (or feigned recording).
You could have signalled to the laughing men in the next-door van.
You could have put your hazards on.
But you felt winding up an angry man was a great option, with your DC in the car.
Maybe that's why a PP has called BS ... or maybe that's how you go through life. Happy to take risks with your DC because you are so proud of not controlling your temper. If you were male, you'd possibly be just as dangerous as many an aggressive man.

Fragile? No. Idiotic and antisocial. Yes.

Fragile for me is pretending you aren't capable or acting feeble and upset. Not what I have read about him.

Hideous creature either way.

I didn’t feel at all at risk while sat in the queue. Yes I can be mouthy but I’m not stupid. The guy was a weed, I was surrounded by witnesses, cars, men in vans etc.

if you don’t believe me, feel free to contact McDonald’s at Marsh Mills, Plymouth and ask to see the cctv. Not sure if the cameras can see I side the cars to see the actual guy but you’d see him “ramming” my car. I was in a black Audi A4. Happened around 6:30pm!

I didn’t feel at all at risk while sat in the queue. Yes I can be mouthy but I’m not stupid. The guy was a weed, I was surrounded by witnesses, cars, men in vans etc.

I didn't feel at all at risk while stood at the bar of my local, surrounded by 5 local men.
The random drug-fuelled guy who grabbed me by the hair, dragged me through the bar, then headbutted me into a wall wasn't especially physically impressive either.

ZERO out of 5 of those men stood up for me.
They quite literally stayed seated.
I know - right?!

Once I was a bit better, & the police stuff was done & dusted, I told one of those 5 men that I'd have stood up for him - at the very least, by trying to talk an aggressor down, & encouraging others to stand up.
His excuse?
"I thought it was just a domestic."
He was totally unabashed when I asked him why he reckoned it's ok for a man to assault a woman if he's shagging her.
He only got a bit shamefaced when I angrily told him the guy was as random to me as he was to everyone else.

The moral of the story is - don't rely on 'witnesses'.
The Bystander Effect is real.
www.verywellmind.com/the-bystander-effect-2795899

Not fragile, he sounds like a raging psycho.

You've changed your tune since the OP when you were too worried to stay and had to leave

Because I had my kids with me I felt like I then couldn’t go and park up invade he approached the car.

Well yeah there’s a big difference between being in a queue with cctv, surrounded by people in their cars, to sitting in a car park with not many people around. Anyway, this was last week now, I’m over it, hopefully the Mercedes’ man got his nice burger and he’s over it too and everyone is happy with their lives.