Flight to Rwanda

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I’d love to get a flight to Rwanda. Beautiful country and people ( I’ve been there before) but I don’t understand why refugees to the U.K. should go there.

Right wing extremism in the UK is a growing concern. So far only individual people have been killed. Unlike the mass killings of the children at Manchester, and all the others. Why play it down.

Um, nazi Germany killing 6 million people says you're wrong. Your level of ignorance is amazing.

By the way, when I referred to past atrocities I was referring to the Islamic terror attacks across the last 20 years or so. Sorry you failed to misinterpret what I said.

Meant to say "chose to"

This would be an ideal solution.

So just to be clear, you're calling MI5 and the FBI idiots.

The people who have the most current intel on attempted attacks (which we will never hear about) and who have seen mass killings by right-wing terrorists around the world (Christchurch, Breivik, El Paso, etc etc etc oh yes and the attempted coup in Washington last year) -- they're idiots. When they say right-wing terrorism is a comparable threat, they have no idea what they're talking about.

I already knew all the examples were going to be decades old. The Nazis/Stalin etc aren't going to commit a terrorist attack tomorrow. You can't say for sure that a radical Islamist won't.

It's shameful that in the face of what is currently happening to women in Afghanistan that many women still actively attempt to silence any debate around the troublesome parts of Islam.

"...as another PP said I’m struggling to understand when asylum seekers escaping bombs and beheadings have time to look at the marketing materials produced by the UK’s tourism industry"

i can help there. These are not asylum seekers escaping bombs and beheadings at all.

Oh well.... Yvette Cooper took down PPatel in a very good way today in PMQs

twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1537052385067016197

Facts matter.
Patel smirks.

It's shameful that in the face of what is currently happening to women in Afghanistan that many women still actively attempt to silence any debate around the troublesome parts of Islam.

Yes I always find it odd how many want to play it down/ minimise it. Strange.

I do wonder why people bleat 'Islam isn't a race' like some sort of bizarre gotcha. Does it make it any less morally wrong if discriminatory comments are made about a religion?

Not calling MI5 or FBI idiots….
During the attempted coup the only few deaths that happened were among those storming the Capitol (one was an unarmed woman), so there was no mass killing by “right wing terrorists” there.

On a side note, I’ve read some of the reports you reference and could have sworn that right wing terrorism is listed as an emerging threat, not a comparable threat.

Certainly, when you look at the statistics of the people convicted of Terror Offences in the U.K. - which does include those arrested for conspiracy to attack or attempts to attack as well as successful attacks, you do still find a clear majority to be extreme Islamist.

“The majority (73%) of prisoners in custody for terrorism-related offences on 31 March 2021 declared themselves as Muslim. 25 prisoners (12%) were of a Christian denomination.”

See also attached table from p26 which shows the “right wing terrorists” are not a comparable threat.
researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7613/CBP-7613.pdf

Wait so let me get this straight, you're looking for examples of white, right, Christian hate and extremism but we aren't allowed to draw those from 'too far back' in history, you also discredit the security services and government stating how this group pose a greater risk because that's 'too in the future, what might happen'. Then the 'evidence' that they aren't comparable (right now with current prisoners) actually demonstrates that the numbers of right wing and other extremist views are growing most rapidly. OK got it. Cool.

The specific accusation for criticising Islam was 'racism'. Hence the comments about it not being a race.

Criticising Christianity is also racist.... said nobody ever.

How about loads of the American mass shootings? Or Anders Brievik?

Let me guess - the first doesn’t count because it’s domestic terror and the latter because it’s not UK/US.

@Perfect28
Then the 'evidence' that they aren't comparable (right now with current prisoners) actually demonstrates that the numbers of right wing and other extremist views are growing most rapidly.

Well yes, the evidence shows right wing terrorism to be an emerging threat not a comparable threat. You dont seem to know what “comparable” means? It means similar or equivalent. You can’t look at the evidence and say with a straight face that the two are at all similar or equivalent threats. They’re both threats, but one has been and is currently substantially larger than the other.

I don’t know what you mean by the rest of your post and can only presume that was directed to another poster.

Blah blah blah.

The original point was about vetting potential security threats like radical Islamists. Are you seriously attempting to argue that far right Christian groups pose the same level of threat in modern day Britain and are just as likely to nail bomb a concert?

Most US mass shootings are not terror related.
But in regards to terrorism in the U.K. that is domestic vs. International here are the statistics
”The majority of terrorism-related arrests made since 11 September 2001 have been classified as being related to international terrorism (79%)”

What you're failing to take into account is that persecution doesn't usually target the same demographic the perpetrators are part of. So,white Christian extremists are less likely to target the descendents of white Christians compared with another group who fundamentally disagree with our way of life

I understand that a government advisor has discovered he still has some remaining principles and understands what ethics are. Thank heavens he's resigned. What kind of politicians would we have if they were all like that?

ALL mass shootings are terror related and perpetrated by extremists.

It would be incredibly patronising to suppress the facts about Rwanda.

Rwanda knew equally well that they shouldn't mess things up with previous asylum seekers, but that didn't stop them doing so.

Oh truth you really have swallowed the bs being fed to you.

You've been invited before to identify posts that support people dining at sea, and unsurprisingly haven't managed to do so. And you've never managed to explain how a safe passage + efficient asylum processing policy that Patel herself put forward at one point will never work.

Is there any danger that at some point you will actually address the facts instead of trying to pretend that they don't exist?

Oops, dying at sea. No problems here with people dining at sea.