Flight to Rwanda

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I’d love to get a flight to Rwanda. Beautiful country and people ( I’ve been there before) but I don’t understand why refugees to the U.K. should go there.

You won't want all the Rwandans arriving here in exchange then will you?
Surely it rather defeats your "we're a tiny island and we're full" argument

Yes we have a legal and moral duty to look after the 14,000 whose asylum claim were granted. Unfortunately those are exactly the people that the Rwanda scheme is targeting.

Random, but a good bit of myth busting from the Red Cross here, referring to asylum seekers after their claim is accepted:

“When someone gets refugee status, they can no longer stay in asylum accommodation. They can choose where to live, but they have to pay for their rent or ask for government help – like any UK citizen. (But without the family ties or support that many of us take for granted.)

A refugee is assessed against the same criteria as other British nationals. They are not automatically prioritised for any housing they need.

And the ones turned down? Well, it’s not true that “even those whose applications are refused get somewhere to live”.

If the Home Office dismisses their case, they have to return to their home country.”

https://www.redcross.org.uk/stories/migration-and-displacement/refugees-and-asylum-seekers/asylum-seekers-are-they-living-on-easy-street

So what always happens in these discussions is that xenophobes realise that 14,000 asylum seekers a year doesn't actually sound like that much, in a country of 67 million people, and so they try to conflate it with overall immigration, which sounds a lot scarier.

But this also just showcases their ignorance. For example a third of overall immigration is for study purposes. These are people coming temporarily to the UK, injecting billions of pounds into our universities and economy, and without access to benefits. They are typically young, healthy with no dependents. They pay much higher tuition fees and subsidise home students -- many university programmes would not exist without foreign students.

This is all a good thing! As are the many doctors, nurses, engineers, butchers, agricultural workers who come here on work visas.

But this will never be acknowledged. They are just portrayed as a faceless wave of non-white people coming here to destroy British values and implement sharia. And I mean literally portrayed, as during the Brexit campaign.

So again, there is no point trying to reason with these people. You are not going to change their mind. I know it's really hard not to argue! But we are just wasting our time.

The was actually changed to allow folk from HK to come here, changed again to increase numbers.

They are fleeing nothing at all as anyone involved in student protests wouldn't be allowed to leave.

Of course allow anyone who is in danger of the Chinese state but millions? whilst sending to Rwanda, Syrians & Afghans who helped us during war time....

You've made an argument?

Well said @dreamingbohemian
I post rebuttals and figures not for the sake of who I’m arguing with, but for the undecided lurkers who genuinely don’t know the truths from the myths about asylum seekers. Every little helps.

Yes we have a legal and moral duty to look after the 14,000 whose asylum claim were granted. Unfortunately those are exactly the people that the Rwanda scheme is targeting beware (my phone keeps switching you to brave)

No, the approved asylum claims are not being targeted at all by the Rwanda scheme, the 14,000 as you have just said can either rent a house or claim benefits.

It is the 87,000 illegal arrivals that are being targeted.

Our lawbreaking PM, supported by Lawbreaking Tories, probably came up with this 'plan' while attending one of the many drunken Friday parties during lockdown.
The same PM who said £60 Million was 'spaffed up the wall' investigating child sex abuse!
What a shameless shambles of a Tory Party.

Our government is trying to appease its shitty xenophobic narrow minded voter base, thats all. Glad the plane was stopped.

dreaming stop the misleading posts.

14,000 approved asylum seekers can stay unhindered claim benefits or rent a house and live here legally

1,300,000 odd are made of professionals, students, spouses etc. They can all live here legally.

87,000 illegals arrivals are the ones being targeted by the new policy as they are here illegally.

No one is complaining about the 1.3 million visas given to people that help the country
No one is complaining about the 14,000 asylum seekers given shelter and are approved

We are however saying something has to be done with the 87,000 arriving every year illegally. Not unreasonably.

Understand now?

The same PM who said £60 Million was 'spaffed up the wall' investigating child sex abuse!What a shameless shambles of a Tory Party

Oh right, because investigating child abuse is such a waste of money

It is the 87,000 illegal arrivals that are being targeted.

Do you have a link or evidence for that figure ?

Yep. I mean this approach has been brilliantly persuasive to date, hasn’t it?
you keep banging your head against that wall. At least it keeps you busy, I suppose

No @Freerangechildren People who previously would have successfully claimed asylum in the UK are being targeted by the Rwanda scheme.

The Rwanda scheme targets people who arrive in boats (as one form of irregular entry) to claim asylum. Your previous post stated 83% of asylum claims were successful. People who arrive today in a boat will be targeted by the Rwanda scheme. Had they arrived 7 months ago, it’s very likely their asylum claim would have been successful. The same people, the same situations.

Its even backdated to affect people who have arrived since January 1st 2022. Their claims should be completed by now, instead they’re left in this terrifying limbo.

Given that illegal immigrants can include people who have lived here for decades , given more in taxes than they take from the state....

Given that when Australia tried this, they backtracked when they saw how abused the refugees were .....

Given how windrush immigrants were declared illegal ...

And illegal immigrants ... many of whom are escaping lives made impossible as a result of climate change that we created .....

If you were wondering what the next election would be about, today has told us: brexit.

It 'got done', yet somehow... didn't.

news.sky.com/story/record-migrants-cross-channel-but-numbers-are-dwarfed-by-unauthorised-people-in-uk-12383928

@Freerangechildren oh bless your heart no, they’re not targeting the irregular migrants because they don’t know where they are!

Of the 87,000 you quoted, 60,000-70,000 are people who’ve overstayed their visa. I.e., they came here legally in the first place. The government will not deport, for eg, a previously legally resident Pakistani student who has overstayed their visa to Rwanda. They will deport them to Pakistan.

That leaves a problematic estimated number who’ve entered illegally. If the government could find them, I’m sure they’d send them straight to Rwanda, if they could find them.

But this current policy is taking the people who have arrived by boat, whose asylum claims would very likely have been granted, and sending them to Rwanda.

No @Freerangechildren People who previously would have successfully claimed asylum in the UK are being targeted by the Rwanda scheme.The Rwanda scheme targets people who arrive in boats (as one form of irregular entry) to claim asylum. Your previous post stated 83% of asylum claims were successful. People who arrive today in a boat will be targeted by the Rwanda scheme. Had they arrived 7 months ago, it’s very likely their asylum claim would have been successful. The same people, the same situations

Why would their claim be successful? I fundamentally disagree with your point that people can arrive here and immediately claim asylum and it will automatically be approved.

That leaves a problematic estimated number who’ve entered illegally. If the government could find them, I’m sure they’d send them straight to Rwanda, if they could find them.But this current policy is taking the people who have arrived by boat, whose asylum claims would very likely have been granted, and sending them to Rwanda

I am sure the gov will be targeting both groups.

I support those travelling illegally to be sent to Rwanda for processing. Entirely support it, because those very same people would have crossed multiple safe countries to get here. So hardly in terrible terrible danger in say Rome or Paris...

But you accept you were wrong about the 14,000 that have legal status will not be sent to Rwanda, just so you understand that point beware Asylum will still be available to those that genuinely need it.

You flee your home because your family are starving . It's hard . You are scared .

You speak sone English
You have family or friend in England

Yip you really want to claim asylum in Germany or France

These are human beings who should have as much right to life, water, health and dignity than anyone else

Immigrants who have approved refugee status get parity with British Citizens for recourse to public funds- access to benefits and tax credits including top ups, the NHS, council housing, and so on. They don’t have to pay an NHS surcharge. And they don’t pay any visa fees. Not all refugees are penniless as we have seen with many paying £20k or so for a channel crossing by a human trafficker.

The reason why many feel they are on easy street is because they do get more than regular legal immigrants who do not have parity with British Citizens.

For most immigrants, their not free but cost hundreds of £££ visas do not allow recourse to public funds. They cannot claim any benefits or tax credits (no child benefit, no UC, no working tax credit, no PIP, etc). They also must rent privately as you cannot get a mortgage without ILR and if you apply for council housing even if homeless, you will be deported. They also have to pay an NHS surcharge of £625/year per adult and £470/year per child.

Its the same for other nonrefugee immigrants - if the Home Office refuses to renew your visa, you also have to return to your home country.

Absolutely! Thanks for all the informative posts : )

You flee your home because your family are starving. It's hard.You are scared

Funny you should say that, I see plenty of well fed young men in labelled and designer sportswear using apple phones and watches to track their arrival as the land on the shores of Great Britain.... I don't really see starving families as they would be too weak to make the trip, and too poor to pay the traffickers, but don't let the truth stand in the way of your flowery narrative.