Flight to Rwanda

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I’d love to get a flight to Rwanda. Beautiful country and people ( I’ve been there before) but I don’t understand why refugees to the U.K. should go there.

So there you have the official numbers.

It is safe to say many people are coming to their own conclusions.

If this policy deters the practice of human trafficking even fractionally that will help.

It's fine to treat trafficking victims appallingly for the sake of deterring one trafficker? Really? When there are perfectly sensible and much more effective means of deterring traffickers fully available?

So for ease we are rounding (down) the figures:

14,000 Asylum claims approved
1,311,731 Visas approved
87,000 Arrivals by illegal means

Is anyone seriously going to tell me that this isn't unbelievably high for such a small country? It is eye watering when you think of the support that is going to be needed for so many.

We ARE talking millions. Every. Single. Year.

I'd have far more respect for them if they just said 'i don't want any brown people to come here'
Instead of all the DM rubbish they keep spouting

Speak to the French gov if you want to know why so many traffickers are strutting around on the streets of Calais.

Lets stick to the facts shall we and talk about the numbers.

And yet you are asking for even more schemes to encourage even more people here.....It just beggars belief

Or maybe you were delusional about the scale or uneducated.

That is what has happened here. Our courts settled on one legal view. Correct.
ECHR decided it was for them to ignore that and over rule it.

I thought it was because it hadn't exhausted the UK legal process, so ECHR said wait until that has happened, which seems fair and correct ?

Evidence? Sources? Anything to back any of this up??

75% of asylum claims are granted by the Home Office therefore have been judged to be escaping peril. Their claims are successful as they have been able to show real evidence of persecution.

Why can’t people stay closer to their country? Well, aside from the fact that most people do (figures below), religious and political persecution mean that others can’t. Then there’s the matter of whether the next country grants you asylum, or pushes you back to the border. Of course, EU countries settle far more asylum seekers than we do in the UK, but some do still face lack of claim, lack of housing and risk of police brutality so have to move on to find asylum.

Some figures, source at bottom:

Turkey hosts the largest number of refugees, with 3.7 million people. Colombia is second with more than 1.7 million, including Venezuelans displaced abroad (as of mid-2021).

Turkey 3.7 million
Colombia 1.7 million
Uganda 1.5 million
Pakistan 1.4 million
Germany 1.2 million

85% are hosted in developing countries.

Developing countries host 85 per cent of the world’s refugees and Venezuelans displaced abroad. The Least Developed Countries provide asylum to 27 per cent of the total.

73% hosted in neighbouring countries

https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics/

Seriously people, there is no point engaging with posters who are just spamming the thread with mistruths

This. It’s a stupid, pointless and nasty policy designed to appeal to stupid, pointless, nasty people and this thread confirms that in spades.

It has certainly gone quiet now, we can digest the actual numbers...

You're right. I work voluntarily with asylum seekers. You know, actual people. Desperate, traumatised people. Not just numbers and faces in media photos.
But many in here don't see them as people, and reading this thread is doing my stress levels no good at all.
Thanks for reminding me that I'm pissing in the wind on here and only hurting myself. I'm out.

Yes very quiet now we can see we are already welcoming millions.
We are a tiny tiny island fgs

I think I certainly rest my case.

It is eye watering when you think of the support that is going to be needed for so many

You must be incredibly worried then about the number of vulnerable Rwandans who are coming here in exchange for a few asylum seekers. They will need a huge amount of the support you talk about
It's in clause 16 of the agreement Patel signed with Rwanda

err thats due to the UK elected Govt issuing all these visas knowing full well so many overstay.
Wait till the numbers from HK and an India trade deal start to really ramp up.

But you focus on the relative small number who come across the channel.

I am focusing on totality.
Actually.

My name’s not brave. 😉
Thanks for those numbers. You may have noticed from the phrasing but just in case, those numbers are asylum claims plus resettlement, not resettlement alone. Thank you for including that 81% of those claims were deemed successful by the home office, contradicting your earlier claim that “everybody knows” they’re not real asylum seekers.

Actually we're one of the biggest islands in the world. You can easily see us on a global map fgs.

Lets stick to the facts shall we and talk about the numbers

The vast majority of migration to this country is legal, 500,000 people come here legally to work, study or join family. 300,000 people leave the country , so net migration is around the 200,000 mark. Some people choose to stay and make their homes here, some stay for a while and then go somewhere else.

Yes and we have agreed, rightly in my view, that every single person from Hong Kong can come here too.

Don't you see we are already very very over committed. Even on the obligations to date. We have a legal and moral duty to look after the people we have already taken in, have promised to take in, and the ones that really should be taken in. There are nearly 8 million people in HK, all have full rights to live here whenever they choose. I do agree with the decision, but we have to be realistic about what more we can do/pay for/offer.

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I find it astonishing that with the numbers as they are, you still entrenched in the idea a) we are not doing enough already b) we need a cut off point if we are to be able to offer any quality of life.

I am afraid the numbers speak for themselves.

I think we are doing more than enough already as country, some of you disagree. At some point we need to agree a compromise as a country and move forward with a pathway and solution. I can't see labour supporting a policy that encourages more migration - knowing the chilling effect it will have on their vote - so I wonder who you will vote for? Yourselves?

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A an absolute compliment thank you, you always wheel that one out when you have lost the argument.

Lol You think a few 1000s refugees are a problem but XX million from HK won't be... now i know your not seriously debating, exactly the reverse.

This, with respect, is frothy nonsense.
The ECHR was drafted as a set of high level rights. In the decades since that time the content of those rights have been developed by the court in all sorts of ways that people in signatory states have never had an opportunity to vote on. There is clearly a problem of legitimacy here - that’s being made explicit in much of the current criticism. I repeat, you can’t scold people out of their unhappiness at this situation. Contentious political problems need to be resolved by democratic, political processes, not judicial decision.
if you want a clear demonstration of that, look at the history of roe vs wade