Flight to Rwanda

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I’d love to get a flight to Rwanda. Beautiful country and people ( I’ve been there before) but I don’t understand why refugees to the U.K. should go there.

Well don’t worry, I’m sure reneging on the NI deal we signed will make France, as well as the rest of the EU, keen to help as much as they can in that regard.

You are not going risk paying tens of thousands of euros to a trafficker if you think your destination will end up being somewhere in Africa, when your heart is set on the sunny uplands of Newcastle or the cotswolds are you? It would be crazy if they really are the poor destitute persecuted refugee they claim to be.

And what a shame that is, given the fuck up of this shitshow of a Government

Technically the ECHR is separate from the EU the institution but it is part of the court system in Europe as a whole

Fairly sure we didn't leave Europe, just the EU ? That's what people kept saying after Brexit !

Well don’t worry, I’m sure reneging on the NI deal we signed will make France, as well as the rest of the EU, keen to help as much as they can in that regard

BINGO!

We got there. In one. France have been lying for years about the policing of the areas most used. So yes, in a word. This policy swiftly deals with the situation!

Except it won’t. And I don’t think you’re stupid enough to believe it will.

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I know. We need a wall.

What an awful thing to say. Did you look into who the 11 then 7 were who were going to be on the flight?
Do you not think that people suffer persecution?

Why do you think 121 charities and the Archbishops condemned this?

That phrase is a bit off isn’t it?

The reality is that they always knew it was bound to be stopped. So they quite deliberately spent millions of pounds of our money on what is, essentially, a political stunt designed to make Mail readers foam at the mouth and, they hope, come back to the fold in Tiverton and Wakefield. It's utterly corrupt

^^ This.

Convenient timing to call out to all the racists out there. Look! We're stopping these awful brown people invade our country and impose Sharia law on us!

I will say IF you are so happy for this carry on and for the UK to do absolutely fuck all to prevent the huge loss of life and the area being run by the mafia human traffickers, seeing as you are so delighted for this to continue, are you also going to be happy when:

Your child's school classes reach 50+
The hospitals bursting to breaking point constantly and not just in the winter
When we STOP the welfare state because we simply can no longer support it
When we give up finding housing for young families as there simply isn't any more stock (by the way we are already there in this part of the country, you can't rent a house for love or money here)
When doctors need to start charging
When hospitals and A&E need to start charging
When you are looking for social care, you had better be prepared to spend every last penny you own on keeping yourself alive
No safety nets of any kind
The loss of support children with FSM and other benefits
No more social housing

Is THIS the country you want to live in?

Because that is the alternative. We can not support millions and millions world wide, mathematically it just can not be done. Labour money trees do not actually exist!!!!!

So you either understand FULLY what you are signing up to by washing your hands of the immigration issue, and fully comprehend what that will mean for you and for your family and your children OR we do something meaningful about it.

You can not have your cake and eat it. As much as you think you can. There are hard choices to be made.

The ECHR (which is not an EU court) didn't involve itself, it was asked to adjudicate. Is it supposed to say no, we won't adjudicate on potential human rights abuses if the country concerned threatens to leave the ECHR? That would negate every purpose for which Churchill and other set it up.

As for the alternative solution, it's obvious and is referred to upthread. Indeed, at one point Patel claimed to be putting it in place. It is, quite simply, to allow safe passage combined with a fair and efficient means of processing asylum claims. It would be an infinitely more effective method of putting people traffickers out of business than the Rwanda nonsense.

@Freerangechildren Which makes more sense?
(a) somehow (many don’t have phones - where will they read this news?) convey to asylum seekers that there’s a chance they may be deported when they reach the UK, whilst the very persuasive people-smugglers who are actually there on the spot, in person, reassure them that it won’t happen to them.
(b) create safe routes for asylum seekers, including applying for asylum from outside the UK, and thereby put the people-smugglers out of business.

Nurse, fetch the smelling salts!

£180 million spent. Could have been spent on NHS, education, services etc.

No mention of Sunak spaffing £11 BILLION pounds by failing to insure against interest increases.

Thats illogical, deliberately creating a path to the UK, means more migrants head to Northern France.
I saw that Sky report (or one similar) 2 Police men are not able to arrest 30 migrants who are in the process of heading out to sea as was pointed out and its also very dangerous for the migrant boats to try and halt them once out to sea, when the refuse to stop.

The uk offered france a few million to help cover the costs of 100s of extra patrols.. yet gave Rwanda almost 200 million for something that wont work and will never work, simply because for every migrant boat detained, many more get ashore and are never picked up.

I think if it were sunny outside, you'd say it was raining, you have very entrenched views.

@Freerangechildren If you haven’t heard the problems about the Israel/Rwanda scheme you haven’t looked.

“All interviewees testified that upon landing in Rwanda the travel document produced by Israel, the only identity document in their possession, was taken away. They were transferred to a guarded hotel and were prevented, under threat, from leaving. None of them were given the opportunity to apply for asylum. Lacking identity documents and exposed to robberies and threats they were forced to embark on dangerous journeys.”

https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/research-subject-groups/centre-criminology/centreborder-criminologies/blog/2018/10/moving-under

On Australia’s offshoring,

“However, it is not where the refugees are relocated to that’s the problem, she adds, but offshoring as a practise in general: Australia standing as a stark example of just how barbaric the process can be.

‘We saw more than eight years of suffering at Australia’s offshore detention centres,’ Dr McDonnell says. ‘They were not only cruel and ineffective, but unlawful, leading to severe and grave abuses of human rights.’”

https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/24/in-focus-isolated-and-suicidal-inside-an-offshore-processing-centre-16507673/amp/

I find it a bit disablist tbh I thought mn was not keen on that, but maybe funny to others

@Freerangechildren can you point out where anyone has said that they are happy or delighted for the traffickers to continue?

On the whole I am not a fan of ventriloquising the dead but I think it’s a fair bet that Churchill didn’t think the ECHR was about us losing h the ability to control our borders. So best to leave him out of it.

In terms of whether it will deter Aus system has dropped numbers drastically, from a high base

But the deterrence is strong if you look at what is offered

Yeah it’s disgusting but typical of the left. Bleeding heart sympathy for some minorities, mockery and derision for others.
not logical, these people

@Freerangechildren I’m sorry but you’ve been sold a lie by people whose power depends on you believing that lie. If you’d like a good faith conversation about this with someone who is really willing to listen then I’m happy to actually talk in real life. We could zoom? Come on, we can work together to understand all this better can’t we?

Cross post with @ActonBell as I wandered off in the middle of writing 😊

Hmm. Having misgivings about sending people to Rwanda = racist undertones is a line straight out of CCHQ. Classic DARVO tactic.