To be concerned that the Depp/Heard trial has put off genuine DV victims from coming forward?

[PetraBP]

The Depp/Heard trial was troubling to me.

On the one hand, people do sometimes make false allegations, especially after relationship breakups.

On the other hand, dragging someone to court for alleging domestic violence might deter some women from reporting it.

Assuming the court got it right and Depp was not a perpetrator, how could he have handled the situation so that it would not put domestic violence victims off coming forward for fear of being sued?

Worrying all round.

If she does have health issues her doctor or therapists should be guiding her and telling her that none of this is good for her mental health but money always plays a big part, its very irresponsible to humiliate or theaten someone and she should know this.

with cluster B personality disorder traits
Not really as personality disorders are a crock of shit.

Yes of course dear.
The psychiatrists and psychologists across the word have just had their world rocked by your astute revelation

bramblebot
Given it was once called wandering womb - do you really think that exists too? Same thing, different name.

FFS will you give up with your wandering fucking womb. Things have moved on. You do realise that men are also diagnosed with PDs all the time.

bramblebot
I do realise that and that also is a crock of shit. I also realise how that mental health diagnostic manual is compiled and that is why I don't believe any of it exists!

bramblebot
I just think all that is is a normal reaction to an abnormal situation such as exposure to abuse etc. No labels needed, no 'disorders' or abnomal behaviours. Just normal reactions to trauma.

That's very heartening to the victims of ice cold, vile, lying, violent psychopaths. The victims who have been brutalised by one of these monsters.

Brilliant. They can just brush it off as normal behaviour on the part of the perpetrator , a normal reaction to some unspecified or unknown trauma.

Marvellous.

But hey, the psychiatry community is a crock of shit and you know better.

Your arrogance is laughable

Those people made a choice to do that to someone else, they know it is wrong to hurt and abuse but they choose to do it. It is nothing to do with normal behaviour at all. You are applying the myth that abused people abuse people. Which again is a lie.

They psychiatric community should be disbanded it is abusive in its own right.

"I just think all that is is a normal reaction to an abnormal situation such as exposure to abuse"

Those were your words.
What were you trying to say?

Okay..
This says a lot about you and your state of mind.

I won't carry on as you seem to be quite fragile.

Let's leave it there. You can go back to posting the wandering womb slogan on every thread

bramblebot
Thanks for the diagnosis of something that isn't true just because I challenge things and read widely around a subject. You know that is just what abusers do, label someone as mental to discredit their comments. It is a common tactic.

bigfootisreal · Today 07:44

Thanks for the diagnosis of something that isn't true just because I challenge things and read widely around a subject. You know that is just what abusers do, label someone as mental to discredit their comments. It is a common tactic.

So, to you Amber Heard is just a vile scumbag who knows what she is doing and just doing it to be evil?

I have no real problem with that as a diagnosis except that it is obvious that some people do regularly behave in ways which other people don't. Why do evil people choose to be evil? Surely something must lie behind the moral choices we make or the patterns of behaviour we fall into.

Would you also extend this dismissal of psychiatry to schizophrenics? It's hard to suggest their paranoia and the voices in their head is any sort of normal reaction to bad circumstances. Also some forms of depression seem to exist independent of what happens to people and some people are more easily depressed by similar things happening to them than others.

More info on AH previous DV arrest, where she claimed it was a trumped up charge by a homophobic officer and charges "immediately" dropped. Not quite true, surprisingly. Interesting to know it was actually her wife who called the police and she did end up in court.

I suspect now the defamation has been proven, more of the truth will surface.

Thanks for the link to Nat @JamieNorthlife by the way

For balance, I looked for pro AH lawyers on YouTube but yet to find any.

MSM is out of the question for me due to an important edit being taken out for the Friday night full interview which totally changed the context of one of her statements.

I have no real problem with that as a diagnosis except that it is obvious that some people do regularly behave in ways which other people don't.

So what you are saying is that people with mental health issues are abnormal? I thought mental health issues are normal and shouldn't be a stigma but then on the other hand people who behave in a different way are disordered and abnormal? Which is it? It surely can't be both? Normal and abnormal?

I think I see where you're coming from @bigfootisreal

Correct me if I'm wrong: attaching those diagnoses to AH stigmatises those who have those personality disorders. So, it's going towards a "not all...." are like this? Some people are just downright awful individuals?

Not really but you're kind of getting it a little, as the whole mental health system is based on stigma that is how it actually works. That stigma will always be there as the system is purely based upon stigmatising those who behave in a way that is not perceived as 'normal'. We are stigmatising the very minute we use labels. So to say we need to rid mental health issues of stigma means to rid them of labels that are the very stigma we want to dissolve.

Anyone who doesn't conform to societies 'norms' are given a label as being mentally ill when in fact we just fail to see someone who is responding in a normal way to situations that scare them etc. We wouldn't label a deer as mentally ill if it ran away from a fox every time it saw one, we would say it behaved in that way out of fear and that was a normal and understandable response. We would not seek to diagnose a distressed deer. If a person got distressed every time something triggered them we would seek a diagnosis.

Therefore personality disorders are purely people in distress from what they have experienced and we are using a label borne out of stigma to slap it on them instead of saying - well given what they have experienced, it is understandable they are acting differently and are fearful of X and Y and get distressed around Z. It doesn't need a label and the stigma, it needs understanding.

As for the some people are just awful individuals. Those who choose to do something such as rape someone, they have made that choice. They know right from wrong and do not need educating. No one is going to suddenly turn around and say shit I never knew rape was wrong. They choose to do that. It is controlled behaviour.

I understand where you are coming from from @bigfootisreal but there are actual physical chages to the brain which causes certain behaviour, whether that be bad behaviour or changed and innapropriate behaviour.

Certain physical illnes causes changes in the brain, also there are differences in the brain from birth which can be inherited.

We don't know enough about the brain to merely dismiss the causes of different brain performances, whether it be bahavioural or mental capacity.

We can only try to measure those differences as we do with most illnesses with quantative and qualititive data.

So we ask why do some humans choose very bad behaviour whereas some do not, we try to find the cause.

bigfootisreal · Today 11:55

So what you are saying is that people with mental health issues are abnormal?

I am saying that chronic depression or schizophrenia are abnormal conditions.

I thought mental health issues are normal and shouldn't be a stigma but then on the other hand people who behave in a different way are disordered and abnormal?

You seem to be making some political point. I'm not making a moral judgement in general, I'm just pointing out that certain conditions aren't the norm and do suggest a level of mental disorder and frequently distress.

Would you call psychopaths normal as well and not wish to stigmatise their behaviour or do you doubt psychopathy exists as well?

Onthedunes
Are you talking about chemical imbalances?

buttersbottom
I am saying distress is normal in response to experiences. Certainly all are abnormal if they are called 'disorders'? No I wouldn't call them psychopaths at all.

Onthedunes
Are you talking about chemical imbalances?

I don't know, we would need a nuerologist here.

The many illness that cause personality changes are very real, so evidence of brain differences cause different smptoms.

Envoiroment and nature can both alter a humans way of thinking, those behaviours are quantified as best we can. Why are developments in quantifying behaviour so upsetting for you, if that were the case there would be no need to quantify anything.

Humans will always try to measure things.

The chemical imbalance theory was debunked decades ago as a myth.

There have been virtually no developments at all in mental health and understanding it for 100 years. It is still as oppressive as it was before. Why does it upset me? It is being used to oppress as it always has done, we've not moved on from the witch trials of 400 years ago. The statistics speak for themselves. It is being used against people as it always has been. Why are we not all upset that people with no issues are being drugged and labelled to discredit them? That is a big issue for me.

I just don't think we have advanced fully.

Your problem seems to be about the subject which is being quantified.

Advancements can only be made through theories and then by experiments and testing.

Maybe one day with the help of nuerologists and genetics we may begin to understand the physiology of the brain and why there are differences in behaviour and thinking.