To be concerned that the Depp/Heard trial has put off genuine DV victims from coming forward?

[PetraBP]

The Depp/Heard trial was troubling to me.

On the one hand, people do sometimes make false allegations, especially after relationship breakups.

On the other hand, dragging someone to court for alleging domestic violence might deter some women from reporting it.

Assuming the court got it right and Depp was not a perpetrator, how could he have handled the situation so that it would not put domestic violence victims off coming forward for fear of being sued?

Worrying all round.

The jury didn't deliberate long enough to have listened to them though.

And again, if you go by Dr Curry she was diagnosed with BPD which is entirely different from NPD. So she's not a 'narcissist'.

I watched the interview last night (or the clips that are put out)

wasn’t as sensational as I thought it would be and she considered how to answer

admits they were being awful to each other

can see why people would have the view of them being Hollywood brats

and discussed the role of sm

its not going to change people’s opinions but does give room for thought was this the right way for their case to be dealt with

i don’t think anyone can really claim the hysteria around the case is positive

Thats what my understanding was

Yes, curry said BPD and HPD. HPD carries a lot of narcissist traits and some in the field think HPD manifests from NPD. However, because so few with these disorders seek help it's not clear.

Curry was accurate on how Amber behaves and seemed to be a lot closer to the diagnosis that Ambers own therapist.

Oh fgs stop lecturing everyone caroline. There was no 'misandry' in anything AdamRyan posted.

The Depp July case...

One team has requested it be televised!! Unclear which one.

I watched some clips but got totally confused and turned it off after her sissorhands comment

Wouldn't it be fairer to say she accurately described the behaviour Depp accused Heard of? Parts of her testimony were so on the nose it was ridiculous. Her role was essentially to frame anything Heard said as being the product of her disorders. And she still didn't diagnose narcissism.

Also as the diagnosis was BPD and HPD (the latter a controversial diagnosis in itself), I don't think it's really fair to just toss narcissism in as well. BPD is about fear of abandonment and deep insecurities and wounds. People with BPD feel things very intensely and are actually very vulnerable. That seems at odds with narcissism to me.

@Aspiringmatriarch

She needs intervention and quickly and an independent, full diagnosis. Definitely can see and heard in the Audios the abandonment issues.

The gaslighting is off the scale. There's lots going on with her but she's going deeper and deeper, she's so clearly ill.

The scissorhands comment, defaming again, she's being trolled ridiculously online, everywhere, but it's like she's living in an alternative reality. And whoever is letting her do this needs their arse kicked. Where are her lawyers?

I'd like to see Rottenbaum again 😉

Her home insurance covered her lawyers im assuming the obligation has now ended unless there is continuing action pending?

I believe she needs help immediately, even if what she has said was completely true declaring your love for a man who supposedly dragged you through glass, violated you with a bottle, left you damaged with PTSD, a dragged you through court and called you a liar infront of the world is not normal or healthy behaviour.

even if what she has said was completely true declaring your love for a man who supposedly dragged you through glass, violated you with a bottle, left you damaged with PTSD, a dragged you through court and called you a liar infront of the world is not normal or healthy behaviour.
People stay with and love abusers all the time. Yes it's unhealthy. But it is also common and therefore "normal".
This is one of the reasons I think the trial was damaging. Because domestic abuse and how people react in an abusive situation is so poorly understood.

I don't actually see the problem with her giving interviews about her experience of court. It was televised anyway. And she now 1) has no career and 2) owes Depp millions so she has to raise the money somehow.

I doubt very much she will say anything defamatory in the interview. The comment about Edward Scissorhands is a fact and so therefore not defamatory?

The comment about scissorhands was completely absurd. It is definitely not a fact that the public believed his hands were really scissors and we are so stupid we cannot separate a movie from real life.

And she has doubled on the defamation, again.

This is only on snippets released so far.

Well she has admitted she's still in love with him. Which was obvious on the stand.

@AdamRyan staying with an abuser is different than continuing to love a sexual abuser over six years and different partners later. Once you break free the reality begins to hit and contempt over rides all other feelings. According to herself she can no longer live a normal life due to PTSD, she cannot be touched, she has therapy and yet she can still love him and talk about him fondly. No, that is not the normal cycle of leaving a rapist, violent abuser who has then called you a liar on a global scale.

I really don't think any phychiatrist would stand in a court of law and diagnose someone a narcissist, sociapath or phychopath, unless up for murder.

I wonder what other professionals think.

You're right none of us are qualified to diagnose Amber but I find this case particularly interesting because we very rarely see this type of personality shown in full view.

Her actions, behaviour and mannerisms have no doubt shocked many people, the only person who isn't shocked is Amber. People make excuses because of the alledged abuse but her behaviour would be consistently like this given any situation.
What I'm trying to say is the abuse has nothing to do with how she responds, this may as well be an argument with her neighbour over a cat or something.
The actions, behaviour and response would still be the same.

I really don't think people are looking at the bigger picture and that's where the bamboozlement lies, the confusion, narcs loves confusion, the minutia, the being bogged down with irrelavancies, the distractions. It keeps your attention away from the bigger picture. How she is coping with all this astonishes me but doesn't surprise me, this girl is strong, has unbelievable capacity for enduring stress and can minimise her own pain.

What is the bigger picture though, Amber's ambition, that is the bigger picture.

If Johnny were to suddenly turn arround and confess his love and wanted to re marry, I believe she would. Even after all this fiasco, she would make excuses up and say it was a dream or an episode, any excuse because his usefullness is extreme.

She doesn't love Johnny, she never did, Amber loves herself. She wasn't broken when she left him, she views him as weak and pathetic and cannot understand how he has done so well in life having such weaknesses.
That's how she really thinks.

When Johnny tries to escape her abuse and he runs to bathrooms or his other houses, banging on doors demanding he stay with her to endure more. How dare he leave.

When Johnny moves on this he Amber doing the exact same thing, just in a different way..

Basically narcs cannot be happy for someone elses good fortune, they are immensly selfish and think only they are deserving of fame, fortune, weath or popularity.

They will be extremely jealous of this, they are not the type to take a back seat and help somone else rise to the top, Amber could not understand Johnny's appeal, as per her comment about everyone buying into his shit.

Her ambition is off the scale and the fact that her talent doesn't match that ambition means nothing to her, to Amber her advancement is her devine right.

These are the types to minimise and ignor their own failings yet at the same time will take credit for someone elses work, they lie about achievements and re write history and twist and turn a narrative to suit any agenda.

Don't get me wrong I don't think Johnny is perfect, he's a typical 'there's no fool like an old fool' discarding his ltp and children for this ow, who was young enough to be his daughter. Yuk.

But when it comes down to strength of character, Johnny didn't stand a chance with Amber, she would have destroyed him if they had stayed together. She further tried to destroy him, him having the audacity of escaping her.

Narcs never let go.

I can see how many could see this as Amber being ignored, given the silent treatment or being stonewalled and people may think this is her negotiating and trying to open up dialogue, essentially asking why don't you care for me enough to speak and discuss.

No this not Amber pleading for love, this is Amber aggresively wanting a confrontation, a battle, for him to admit defeat and be controlled.

This is not her pondering why Johnny does not love her anymore and the unfairness of that, or how he has met someone else and discarded her, this is her realising he knows what and who she is, and she really doesn't like that.

She's telling Johnny to admit he's not discovered Amber's real self, her mask has slipped and she will not have him recognising this.

"No this not Amber pleading for love, this is Amber aggresively wanting a confrontation, a battle, for him to admit defeat and be controlled"

Yep. Continuing the abuse.

Under oath she said she wanted him to just leave her alone and she wanted to move on. Okay Amber.

This is veering into fan fiction territory tbh.

Yeah

i think at this point I’m out…

im sure ill keep reading though 😀