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To be concerned that the Depp/Heard trial has put off genuine DV victims from coming forward?

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PetraBP · 09/06/2022 09:23

The Depp/Heard trial was troubling to me.

On the one hand, people do sometimes make false allegations, especially after relationship breakups.

On the other hand, dragging someone to court for alleging domestic violence might deter some women from reporting it.

Assuming the court got it right and Depp was not a perpetrator, how could he have handled the situation so that it would not put domestic violence victims off coming forward for fear of being sued?

Worrying all round.

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taotaos · 11/06/2022 15:24

Triptop · 11/06/2022 09:01

A judge in the UK saw basically the same evidence and concluded he was a wife beater. So it's clear that thoughtful and informed individuals can come to different conclusions.

although there were a couple of things Depp's lawyers managed to withhold from the American jury - like the text where his assistant says that Depp kicked Amber. It's possible I suppose the jury could have come to a different conclusion if they'd seen that.

No not the same evidence by any stretch. You are not credible

taotaos · 11/06/2022 15:31

StormzyinaTCup · 11/06/2022 01:21

Good thing the trial was televised.

Very much this.

Those of us that watched the whole trial will have heard the two testimonies over 6 days (plus the last day), have seen with our own eyes and heard with our own ears the witness statements, photos and audio recordings. Based upon this the majority I would say agree that the jury got it right (in a trial that it should be noted consisted of women on the jury, a woman judge and 5 women lawyers).

Unfortunately, the MSM, a lot of whom weren't watching the trial in full, were banking on a different result and we're caught off guard (not for the first time). The doubling-down, the gaslighting, the flinging around of the word 'mysogyny' the mental gymnastics, the spiel of 'a set back for women' blah blah blah that is being reported is nothing short of spectacular and some people seem quite happy to buy into it. Cognitive dissonance cluster bomb.

If the MeToo movement and feminism generally starts going backwards it will not be due to the 'Depp fan club' it will be MSM and staunch feminists who refuse to recognise and acknowledge that women can be the abuser in a relationship. In light of the verdict the 'Believe all women’ mantra is going to cause a lot of people to say f*k this s*t and jump the good ship ‘feminism’.

Brilliant post
You are 100% right

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 11/06/2022 15:34

it keeps being said on here but ive never seen it

‘women are never abusive’

where does that even come from

taotaos · 11/06/2022 15:35

HRTQueen · 11/06/2022 13:29

People value men who call their ex’s the mother of their children money grabbing cunts

who smash bottles and kitchen cupboards and act aggressively because things are not going their way

they value men who blame others for their actions and wrote terrible fantasy violence about their partner to friends

they value men who are up in court for attacking a co worker

They value men who smash up hotel rooms (or any room)

in what world is this valued because they are being honest it isn’t for others it’s excused for men in power who have a mass following, who are worth a lot of money to many people, he has always cultivated the troubled persona that has somehow excused him from such behaviour

he is not worthy of such adoration and it’s pitiful and it’s dangerous message

That's all fine.
But not ONE word about AH's lying, bullying, taunting and punching? Sorry hiting not punching the "big baby"

taotaos · 11/06/2022 15:35

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 11/06/2022 15:34

it keeps being said on here but ive never seen it

‘women are never abusive’

where does that even come from

Who said that?

TiddyTidTwo · 11/06/2022 15:36

And this is what's really happening. Women who are calling out AH are not being blamed. Men are crawling all over this as a gotcha. They're teaming up with women against liars and abusers. I've seen this time and time again.

To be concerned that the Depp/Heard trial has put off genuine DV victims from coming forward?
TiddyTidTwo · 11/06/2022 15:36

Men are NOT* crawling all over this.

I have a sticky pad!

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 11/06/2022 15:39

tao

its been on a number of these threads

i think men and women can be abusive…ive never heard anyone saying anything different.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 11/06/2022 15:40

TiddyTidTwo · 11/06/2022 15:36

Men are NOT* crawling all over this.

I have a sticky pad!

😀

TiddyTidTwo · 11/06/2022 15:44

@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer

I think it's the women can be abusive too, but....

Yes AH was abusive, but....

And the cherry picking of posts to twist the narrative, I.e,

"What you posted isn't what you posted so I'm telling you what you posted and it's this"

TiddyTidTwo · 11/06/2022 15:45

@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer I do and I'm paranoid now and have to correct it 😂

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 11/06/2022 16:04

tiddy

there is nothing worse than typing a post that you think is going to nail it…

and then finding you’ve made a typo which either changes the entire meaning or makes you look illiterate

i do it A LOT 😀

taotaos · 11/06/2022 16:06

There honestly do seem to be posters of the opinion that only men can be abusive/bullies/narcissists/psychopaths.

When you ask them outright they back off. Yet every word they say speaks to a deep belief of men bad , women good.

Or a women behaving horribly is the fault of a man.

Someone very close to me in my family is in a similar situation. He is a very unassertive but kind person and a brilliant family man. Yet we know he is being verbally and physically abused by his wife who is a covert narcissist and probably has BPD/HPD.

One of my in laws is a consultant psychiatrist and we have both seen hours of video of her abusing him. We are trying to help him escape this situation.

Nobody is trying to cast JD as a hero.
But AH was exposed for what she is.
The similarities between AH and the woman in our family are astonishing. The histrionics, the micro-expressions, the lies, the gaslighting, the taunting, the externalisation of blame; the victim mentality, the shallow switches in emotion within a second and on and on .

The jury saw through her. The whole world saw through her.
The evidence provided in the UK trial was nothing like in this trial.
They were also much more prepared for her. It takes huge focus and attention to detail to try and derail a lying narcissist in full flow.

Many women are horribly abused by men.

AH tried to jump on their experiences and feign the same thing for her own vengeance and gain.

She is a very dangerous personality.

TiddyTidTwo · 11/06/2022 16:06

@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer haha I do it all the time.

I'm not the most literate, shoot from the hip and type as I think and find myself in situations 😂

TiddyTidTwo · 11/06/2022 16:11

"The jury saw through her. The whole world saw through her.
The evidence provided in the UK trial was nothing like in this trial.
They were also much more prepared for her. It takes huge focus and attention to detail to try and derail a lying narcissist in full flow.

Many women are horribly abused by men.

AH tried to jump on their experiences and feign the same thing for her own vengeance and gain.

She is a very dangerous personality."

She is @taotaos I too have experienced this myself and my DH with his ex. We are a pair of losers who found each other 😂but although opposite genders abused us it's absolutely textbook what they do. Sex of the abuser does not change it.

HRTQueen · 11/06/2022 16:13

taotaos · 11/06/2022 15:35

That's all fine.
But not ONE word about AH's lying, bullying, taunting and punching? Sorry hiting not punching the "big baby"

It was a response to a poster who reasoned why JD had so much support

AD has never and would never receive the adoration he is receiving at the moment

no woman would after acting like he has regardless of you think he has been abusive or not towards AH

TiddyTidTwo · 11/06/2022 16:15

"It takes huge focus and attention to detail to try and derail a lying narcissist in full flow"

And although Camille has been vilified online by some on how she treated AH on cross. Camille knew exactly what she was dealing with. She's not a "skirt" or a "pick me girl" which has come from some extreme feminist circles. That's a fucking insult.

TiddyTidTwo · 11/06/2022 16:19

"AD has never and would never receive the adoration he is receiving at the moment"

No and nor should she.

However his female lawyer is to the world and also been promoted to partner. Go woman!

HRTQueen · 11/06/2022 16:29

Camille Vasquez was doing her job

I have no issue in her promotion or her being held in high regard in her profession even if I don’t like their legal tactics

I do for Johnny Depp. Like I said in a previous post he is not worthy of such adoration

FrippEnos · 11/06/2022 16:44

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 11/06/2022 15:34

it keeps being said on here but ive never seen it

‘women are never abusive’

where does that even come from

Its been said over several threads that women cannot be abusive because they don't have the power.
Or because they are weaker and cannot do as much damage when hitting.

TiddyTidTwo · 11/06/2022 16:47

@HRTQueen don't confuse adoration for Depp with the justice felt for AH being exposed.

I am no depp fan per se. I do like some of his films, I also respect his generosity towards others and that he had, frankly, a toxic childhood which led to his addictions starting at age 12. He had enough empathy to forgive his mother and supported her through her life. Im not keen pirate films so probably his biggest has passed me by.

Now Matthew McConaughay.... different story.

HRTQueen · 11/06/2022 16:55

TiddyTidTwo · 11/06/2022 16:47

@HRTQueen don't confuse adoration for Depp with the justice felt for AH being exposed.

I am no depp fan per se. I do like some of his films, I also respect his generosity towards others and that he had, frankly, a toxic childhood which led to his addictions starting at age 12. He had enough empathy to forgive his mother and supported her through her life. Im not keen pirate films so probably his biggest has passed me by.

Now Matthew McConaughay.... different story.

No need to worry TiddyTidTwo I’m not confusing the two separate issues

Like I have pointed out a few times now he is not worthy of such adoration that he is receiving

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 11/06/2022 16:59

Abusive behaviour isn’t just hitting, i thought that had been established by now

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 11/06/2022 17:00

Now Matthew McConaughay.... different story

what did you think of his white house speech?

im off out in two minutes so not ignoring you if you reply

bigfootisreal · 11/06/2022 17:02

taotaos
I doubt she has wandering womb syndrome given it doesn't exist.

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