To be concerned that the Depp/Heard trial has put off genuine DV victims from coming forward?

[PetraBP]

The Depp/Heard trial was troubling to me.

On the one hand, people do sometimes make false allegations, especially after relationship breakups.

On the other hand, dragging someone to court for alleging domestic violence might deter some women from reporting it.

Assuming the court got it right and Depp was not a perpetrator, how could he have handled the situation so that it would not put domestic violence victims off coming forward for fear of being sued?

Worrying all round.

I think you just have to accept that people can look at the same evidence and come to a different conclusion.

Each of us comes with our own life experience, specialist knowledge and biases.
We hope and trust that judges and juries do their best to weigh things up impartially.

I find it hard to understand how anyone can look at the evidence and conclude he was never abusive, but it is evident that some people truly believe this.

Mostly I think the whole thing is sad. They are both such damaged, dysfunctional individuals who have been blessed with beauty and riches and luxury, but they have made an utter mess of their lives.

It is a shame that people can't read other's opinions either and still parp on with suggestions despite it being exactly what that other person thinks. It is quite comical to see people trying to convince others about AH when they already think it.

Absolutely agree with this. Both of them are vile individuals.

For myself what concerns me more is how JD is now being treated and seen as by many

and how AD is being hounded

especially when I hear/read peoples opinions that they were both abusive and they express very negative views of AH and warm opinions often excusing or reasoning JD behaviour

it’s reminiscent of how OJ Simpson was treated after the trial a guy loved by millions, good looking and charismatic. It was clear in the evidence he was abusive at times but what did that matter

it’s the being able to totally ignore or excuse/reason his behaviour that is there in black and white and on film/audio he isn’t such a great guy regardless if you believe he was abusive to AH or not so why has he been elevated to some sort of hero by so many

it’s damaging this shall be looked back on in a few years and questioned in a more reasonable manner because this isn’t right

Many are, rightly, upset the SA story was played on live and criticised the judge for allowing it. But it was under a protective order, but AH and her Team allowed it in. Elaine going on TV afterwards complaining about it when she broke the order. Ben Chew raised this and now evidenced in the court docs.

@HRTQueen Even if you believe that they were both equally abusive while in the relationship, only one of them has gone out to try and destroy the others life and career after it. Only one of them has been shown to be a blatant liar. People value honesty, and for all JDs faults, he has at least been open and honest whereas she has been dishonest and manipulative. He would have been prepared to keep it all as private as possible and move on as amicably as possible, she wasn’t. Her lies have actively damaged the perception of DV victims in many peoples eyes. She didn’t go to the police because she needed help, instead she went to the press because she wanted publicity and sympathy.

I think those are the reasons why he is being glorified while she is being vilified.

ClocksGoingBackwards
He didn't go to the police either? Why the double standards?

And a great article calling out MSM and their disturbing role in this:

www.lamag.com/culturefiles/the-depp-v-heard-trial-aftermath-or-the-media-v-creators/

He didn’t go public either, so no double standard exists there.

People value men who call their ex’s the mother of their children money grabbing cunts

who smash bottles and kitchen cupboards and act aggressively because things are not going their way

they value men who blame others for their actions and wrote terrible fantasy violence about their partner to friends

they value men who are up in court for attacking a co worker

They value men who smash up hotel rooms (or any room)

in what world is this valued because they are being honest it isn’t for others it’s excused for men in power who have a mass following, who are worth a lot of money to many people, he has always cultivated the troubled persona that has somehow excused him from such behaviour

he is not worthy of such adoration and it’s pitiful and it’s dangerous message

There is an issue here with regard to the ramifications following the verdict. However, I think most people looked at this trial on its own merits as an individual case. I think most would agree they should never have got together in the first place but they did and it exacerbated both of their personality flaws and their issues, especially with drink and drugs. What is particularly jarring is that there was clear evidence that she was physically abusive, that she lied on more than one occasion and took absolutely no accountability for her words or her actions. She saw herself as the true and only victim to a point where she was very comfortable taking on the role as the the voice for all women who have suffered abuse at the hands of men whilst being a perpetrator of abuse herself (but she obviously justified that in her own mind) . Quite rightly the actual life experiences of a lot of women recognised the pattern of abuse that she levelled (and it is a textbook pattern of behaviour associated with a certain personality disorder) and other women exclaimed loudly ‘she is not speaking for me’. That does not mean people absolve him of any wrong doing in the relationship but more that her words and her actions have shown that she is not the sole victim here and in all likelihood was the perpetrator and she has manipulated a lot of people ‘up the garden path’ for six years.

I doubt very much whether she can see that even now and will continue to take no accountability and, as with the court case where everyone lied under oath except her’ it will continue to be everyone else’s fault that she lost this case. Will she try and move on, I wouldn’t have thought so. I expect she will continue her narrative.

@TiddyTidTwo i read that article and was going to post it on here but you beat me to it😊

Why, thank you @StormzyinaTCup

I've found another one which I think speaks for all victims and correctly downplays the "man with power" narrative. I mentioned in a previous post that with my ex, on paper, I held the power so this article hits home with me. It also offers brilliant advice outside of this case for anyone experiencing the same.

www.eviemagazine.com/post/being-a-powerful-man-does-not-protect-you-from-abuse-heres-why

Exactly

Using the word shriek was also revealing, you would have probably called Tiddy hysterical next 🤔

The double standard is that people who believe JD was the victim and AH the abuser often raise the fact that AH didn't report the abuse as evidence she made it up. Whereas JD also didn't go to the police, which could equally be evidence he made his version up

Sorry, let me check my understanding here
You think an elite of powerful institutions and people were behind Amber Heard defending a case Johnny Depp brought? And that they are now annoyed JD won the case he brought and are paying people to post pro AH on sites like mumsnet?

I'd be really interested in what you think the motive for such an elite is?

@AdamRyan

No I don't think. I thought it was interesting the connections.

Bit like politics/institutions/money/MSM controlling other aspects of the world out there.

Feminists I see in the majority in this thread (minus a few 🤡)

twitter.com/lisabritton/status/1535231575465594882?s=21&t=z9BxGj0_px5jkGMYgn3-Ew

Depends on the bigger picture of what was to be achieved, it's like.some episodes of law and order or csi, the case has merits, but because of the precedent it could achieve or the wider implications it may have or for the greater good that the case coupd.help to establish, then it's could be seen if it's better that x wins x case over x, so.to speak.

ClocksGoingBackwards
So anyone who has been assaulted must be silent on that and not speak out?

AdamRyan
Please point out where I have supported AH?

Completely true.

I didn't say you had, sorry that you interpreted that way.
I was trying to clarify that the double standard was "not going to the police" was interpreted differently in the case of JD than AH and explaining it based in what I've read pro-Depp posters write. I was not aiming that at at you.

Well its real life, not a TVshow
What do you think AH winning would have done, that would encourage "an elite" to pay to support her?
It seems conspiracy theory-ish, I'm just trying to understand why that would make sense.

"Feminists I see in the majority in this thread (minus a few 🤡)"

Just to be clear I mean the thread on Twitter I linked, not this MN thread.

I said in an earlier post a lot of women i see are getting tired with the narrative and this link is one of hundreds.

Calling such women depp fans/depp wives etc only adds to it.

My personal opinion is there is an opportunity here for both sides.

AdamRyan Thank you for clarifying.