To be concerned that the Depp/Heard trial has put off genuine DV victims from coming forward?

[PetraBP]

The Depp/Heard trial was troubling to me.

On the one hand, people do sometimes make false allegations, especially after relationship breakups.

On the other hand, dragging someone to court for alleging domestic violence might deter some women from reporting it.

Assuming the court got it right and Depp was not a perpetrator, how could he have handled the situation so that it would not put domestic violence victims off coming forward for fear of being sued?

Worrying all round.

Ok, I think since I’m not getting an apology OR an explanation and it looks like the paedophile apology is about to start, I’m done here. Looking forward to seeing your next username Tiddy!

Wtf pumper?

That's because of the frankly weird reporting of the case. If I hadn't watched for myself and listened to the footage, if I'd just gone off the news reports, I'd think that too. Ridiculously biased, to the point of being deceptive. They all seemed to work off the premise that if Amber Heard said something happened, it happened, and anyone thinking otherwise was either a raving misogynist or skewed because she wasn't a "perfect victim." No - she wasn't any kind of victim, except that she lived with an addict, which is its own kind of hell, and I have sympathy for her in that regard, but is not in itself abuse.

Good thing the trial was televised.

It is true tiddy and anyone who reads Depp threads will see it.
You've basically derailed the whole thread by insulting pumper and making out Amber is the devil incarnate. No other posters are here now - it's essentially a bun fight. Very boring. And I suspect your a name changer of another poster who behaves the same.

There's a lot of relevant points that arose from the trial and its impossible to discuss any of it because of how you are behaving.

And this is nonsense and verging on a personal attack. Tiddy's done nothing but express her opinion - you and this little cabal of posters seem to follow her around talking crap like this.

I've followed all the Heard/Depp threads (lurking) and I'm sorry, but the frankly bullying tone this one has taken - because of you - has made me post.

Hi Pumper. I just want to say that I've not been active on this thread but I've seen you repeatedly ask a clear question and be repeatedly ignored. I just wanted to support you really and say that readers do notice when posters insult and then ignore. It speaks volumes. We'll done for not rising to the micro-aggression.

Noted by me also. The shriek of "misandrist" is very revealing.

Good thing the trial was televised.

Very much this.

Those of us that watched the whole trial will have heard the two testimonies over 6 days (plus the last day), have seen with our own eyes and heard with our own ears the witness statements, photos and audio recordings. Based upon this the majority I would say agree that the jury got it right (in a trial that it should be noted consisted of women on the jury, a woman judge and 5 women lawyers).

Unfortunately, the MSM, a lot of whom weren't watching the trial in full, were banking on a different result and we're caught off guard (not for the first time). The doubling-down, the gaslighting, the flinging around of the word 'mysogyny' the mental gymnastics, the spiel of 'a set back for women' blah blah blah that is being reported is nothing short of spectacular and some people seem quite happy to buy into it. Cognitive dissonance cluster bomb.

If the MeToo movement and feminism generally starts going backwards it will not be due to the 'Depp fan club' it will be MSM and staunch feminists who refuse to recognise and acknowledge that women can be the abuser in a relationship. In light of the verdict the 'Believe all women’ mantra is going to cause a lot of people to say f*k this s*t and jump the good ship ‘feminism’.

I’m a staunch feminist as are all my friends and many woman I know

I’ve never heard a woman say that only men are abusive and woman never are

I have not seen in discussions about abuse anyone involved in the discussion claim that only men are abusive (I’ve seen obvious trolls)

I have over and over again and especially in the past few weeks read many claims that the Me Too, I Believe You campaigns will be damaged by feminists

it’s the exact same rubbish that MRA’s spout

Women be warned you are a danger to yourselves so stfu and know your place 🙄

same old …

Feminism isn't going to go "backwards". Women will never stop speaking out against male violence and demanding equal rights and respect. If that is your hope, you will be disappointed.

It's not my hope at all, I'm a woman and I'm all for equality, respect and having my voice heard. That said, it doesn't mean I'm unable to see that the way this is being played out, especially in the media, is possibly going to be counter productive. It's peed me off and I'm not buying into it. I'm rethinking in light of this trial.

You're rethinking equality because of one defamation trial??

No, I didn't say I was rethinking equality.

@IllDoItButOnlyForTheAttention totally agree with you. Super annoying that a lot of these opinions are based on ignorance rather than watching the trial and making an informed opinion based on the evidence and facts of the case.

@Triptop sorry I went to bed. Looks like you’ve had as hard night 🙀

Interesting that you think that my disapproval of the cameras is a defence of AH when I very clearly state that both parties made allegations of domestic abuse.

Filming of this trial was inappropriate and wrong. And I don’t think that domestic abuse survivors should have to face each other in court. Whether they are male or female. The furore surrounding this trial and all of the nasty speculation will put future victims off coming forward. And that is an unacceptable consequence.

She asked repeatedly what she said that someone believed showed misandry. It was a very clear question and clearly is pertinent.

It's ok - I'm not in the UK so I'm up - this is my day time.

I assume that most people on the thread will have watched the trial. I don't think that's where the difference in perspective is coming from.

A judge in the UK saw basically the same evidence and concluded he was a wife beater. So it's clear that thoughtful and informed individuals can come to different conclusions.

although there were a couple of things Depp's lawyers managed to withhold from the American jury - like the text where his assistant says that Depp kicked Amber. It's possible I suppose the jury could have come to a different conclusion if they'd seen that.

Now, I'm not one for conspiracy theories but the link I posted from the Stanford Law prof and her unbelievable anger and vitriol at the verdict. Seems there's more to her than she lets on. Now this thread names a lot of high powered people and institutions (many strangely linked to the case and each of these have kept their "ambassador" and refused to denounce or apologise to Depp, and MSM continuing to gaslight us mere mortals).

Is it a stretch to think politics/self serving elite, big institutions and lots and lots of money is behind this and that they cocked up this time as the verdict didn't go their way (and the target did have the money and the power to fight back)

I don't know but, Amber consistently lying, maybe she had no choice as in too deep.

Of course it could all be coincidental and 2+2=seventy hundred but interesting nonetheless:

twitter.com/letshearthetru/status/1534505568030838784?s=21&t=v9yCZI_GL1VJHvT6qKnNrA

The thread simplified what's in the article

It's the letshearthetruth poster on that tweet btw

It’s a shame that people are unable to look at a given situation and form an intelligent and informed opinion (based on easy to find facts and evidence Aka the trial) on the subject matter without letting politics and other self serving agendas influence them. It does seem to be much bigger than just AH and JD!

Triptop

The judge in the UK didn't see anything like the same evidence.

A lot of evidence was not that shown in the uk trial and AH wasn’t a defendant, the two trials are really not comparable. Hearsay evidence cannot he used (the text from JD ex assistant saying about JD was crying when he kicked AH is hearsay) there are also recordings and text messages available online (mostly YouTube) which the jury never saw. Most of these are even more unfavorable to AH than the ones shown in court for example when JDs finger was injured there is a very telling recording with AH in hospital along with others (hence why it couldn’t be used as evidence)…it makes for interesting listening!