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Dog tried to bite my baby

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UserICantThinkOfAUsername · 06/06/2022 08:48

Morning all. So I've never had dogs, don't know much about them, never really trusted them either.

Yesterday at my PIL house one of the dogs tried to bite my 11 month olds nose in a completely unprovoked attack (she was just crawling next to the dog). Luckily my partner was quick and stopped the dog but she almost bit our LG nose. I didn't allow the dog near her the rest of the day. Previously, said dog has been very protective of my baby and gets upset when she cries etc so we are shocked she's tried biting her. But obviously now I do not trust the dog at all... I am also due our 3rd baby in September who PIL are the default childcare if I go into hospital (planning a homebirth). It's a very close family and we regularly go to their house for gatherings. AIBU to say I will not be going to their home anymore with children if said dog is there?

OP posts:
Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/06/2022 11:26

I won't allow baby and dog to be together again and will make this clear to PIL and BIL

Well done, OP
If the dog's not been a problem before it's only natural to question your reaction, and that's what all those parents who lost children to dogs did too - except that sadly, the necessary action came too late

Apart from being over-trusting the PILs may not have done much wrong so far, but it's how they react to keeping them apart which will be the key. I don't think you've mentioned your OH, but if he's around I just hope he'll back you up

LaBellina · 06/06/2022 11:27

YANBU this would make me very anxious too. How your in-laws reacted would determine for me in this case if I would visit their home again with the baby. Any sign of downplaying what happened and they could only see baby at my home or outside but absolutely no longer with that dog present.
And if they give you’re getting a hard time from them for ‘being difficult’ : the last thing you want is to be proven right. I would happily choose upsetting my in-laws over my baby’s safety. It’s not your job to manage the feelings of irresponsible adult dog owners, it’s your only job here to protect your baby.

LaBellina · 06/06/2022 11:30

*risking baby’s safety

YanTanTetheraPetheraPimp · 06/06/2022 11:31

saraclara · 06/06/2022 09:41

The anthropomorphisation of dogs that is rife these days, is so dangerous.

The dog wasn't being 'protective' when it got upset at the baby crying. It was anxious and stressed at the noise. And it was a clear sign that it was likely to react unpredictably to the child at some point.

People need to stop attributing positive human emotions to animals, and anyways err on the cautious side.

This ^^
The dog has been warning you all and nothing was done. You’re very lucky that the baby wasn’t bitten.
I would never trust any dog around children, including my own dog who’s very good natured, both are very unpredictable.
I wouldn’t be letting my in-laws childmind at all in this situation.

Winterflower84 · 06/06/2022 11:31

How did you even allow the baby to crawl near that dog! It's ridiculous how some families treat their dogs as family members and expect them to have the same level of understanding and self-awareness as people do. Just ridiculous! It's an animal full stop.

Crayfishforyou · 06/06/2022 11:32

Yanbu
it would be an horrible for both the dog and your poor baby for a bite to happen. The only thing you can do is prevent the possibility.
I love my dog, he has always been bomb proof with small children, but I wouldn’t leave him alone in a room with a crawling baby.

WiddlinDiddlin · 06/06/2022 11:36

Phobiaphobic · 06/06/2022 10:34

Easy solution is ask your PIL to put a muzzle on the dog when you're there. Then it can't bite anyone.

This is a really stupid and dangerous idea.

The dog is still in the situation that is causing him/her to feel anxious/distressed/threatened, but now the communication options are even more limited as most people won't see a lip curl through a muzzle.

A dog with a muzzle on can still muzzle punch something it feels is threatening, which is exactly as it sounds, punching with the muzzle either once and back off or repeatedly, until whatever 'victim' backs off. Since a baby won't back off but would just.. cry, theres a high chance the kid would be punched several times before a person could get there and remove them.

Use a pen or room divider so the baby and the dog are separated. You can split a room so theres some seating in each half, so the dog isn't actually isolated from everyone, they just need to be kept apart. If the dog would jump, then use a crate.

Tandora · 06/06/2022 11:41

livelyredjellybean · 06/06/2022 09:09

OP, ignore Pp overreacting about “you shouldn’t have let your baby crawl near a dog”; that’s absolutely ridiculous when the dog has shown no previous negative behaviour towards your kids.
Going forward you definitely shouldn’t allow your PIL to watch the kids unless the dog is elsewhere. They should also investigate why the dog behaved in such an unusual way, starting with a vet check. They could follow up with a behavioural session after if no obvious cause is found at the vet check. But it will be completely up to you whether you ever trust this dog again.
I really hope you do better than I have with my own parents and their dog; I’ve never taken my kids to their house as I don’t trust their dog (and I say this as a qualified dog behaviour consultant!) yet they still won’t crate the dog when we ask to visit.

Total overreaction. Baby shouldn’t not have been crawling around the dog. It’s not even clear what kind of an attempted “bite” it was? If it was just a little snip that would be totally normal and not necessarily aggressive behaviour from a dog- this is how they discipline their own puppies. Not sure people on this thread understand dogs??
OP just ask the dog be kept in another room when the baby is crawling around. No need to cause a massive drama.

thebabynanny · 06/06/2022 11:41

Any animal can bite, never put a small child's face near any animal's mouth whether dog, cat or guinea pig. It's a good general rule to teach your children never to get in any animal's face.

Sounds like the dog is stressed about the baby/children if it was already getting 'upset' about crying and now has snapped at the baby coming too near. If it had wanted to bite the baby it would have though, so this was a warning snap.

Take this as an important warning to always keep the baby/children out of the dog's space, make sure the dog has somewhere safe to retreat to and supervise very closely.
This dog is not a fan of children!

Favouritefruits · 06/06/2022 11:51

If the dog wanted to bite your child it would of done, take it as a warning!

MindYourHeadDoggy · 06/06/2022 11:51

I can’t believe you let your child crawl so close to a dog that she almost got bitten.

This is on you and the child’s father, OP.

A dog’s natural instinct when it’s stressed or overstimulated can be to nip or bite. They’re animals, that’s what they do.

Leaving a baby crawl around a dog is irresponsible and, no matter how you dress this up in terms of what you want your boyfriend’s parents to do, you really need to wise-up and protect your child.

kickingupdaisies · 06/06/2022 12:10

There is no good reason for any baby or toddler to be near any dog or in th same room as. Just too much to lose and nothing to gain. Dogs and babies should not be allowed to mix by either you or your PILs and you should absolutely insist on that.

contrary13 · 06/06/2022 12:15

*"I can pretty safely state however that the dog did not 'try to bite' - dogs move far faster than us, if the dog intended to land a bite, the dog would have landed a bite unless there is extra information such as the dog is blind - dogs don't miss.

The significance of that is.. this dog IS still communicating their discomfort without actually biting.

Likely an air snap (often interpreted as 'tried to bite but I pulled them away in time')."*

^^This. But, @UserICantThinkOfAUsername - I don't think YABU at all... and I (and subsequently my own children) have spent my whole life around dogs, literally from the day my parents brought me home from the hospital where I was born. Whilst my own parents left me alone with their own dogs (family stories about how the male would give me a wide berth until I fell asleep, when he'd curl around me on the floor... and how the female treated me very much as her own puppy to the point of "picking [me] up my the back of my romper and dragging [me] to her bed under the stairs where [my parents] couldn't safely reach in to retreive [me] without her growling at [them]" - honestly, it's a miracle I wasn't ever hurt in any way by them!), by the time I became a parent I knew enough to understand that a dog... is an animal. And, as such, they're unpredictable - especially around small, fast moving, high pitched adversaries! Consequently, neither of my children have been left unsupervised by the family dogs until they were older (they're 26 and 17 now).

There could be a multitude of reasons as to why your PIL's dog snapped at your crawling baby. It might have been feeling unwell, be getting too old to deal with infants and toddlers, have been fed up of the day's chaos (to it) of a family gathering. However, the baby shouldn't have been allowed close enough to the dog in the first place, in my opinion. As the quoted poster above says: a dog doesn't miss. And yes; they "air snap" as a corrective method for those they know "belong" to their family/pack and who they consider below them. In its own home, to your PILs dog, your children are below it. That's how their brains are wired, I'm afraid. If it had a headache from high pitched (normal) toddler/baby shrieks or cries, then it might have snapped as a way of saying "enough!" or "leave me alone for 5 minutes!". I'm afraid that in this instance, I'd blame your distracted PIL and DH more than I would the fed up dog.

My youngest is 17. My parents current dog is 6. Their dog, when my son was in the first teenage flows of testosterone (and perceived as competition or a threat to my parents unneutered male dog in his own home during bimonthly visits) would frequently air snap at him whenever he encroached too much. My son would lounge on the dog's bed, for example, despite knowing (and being told) not to because the dog didn't like it. Not once did my parents dog actually land a bite. It was simply his way of communicating that he'd had enough of my son trying to dominate his space in the family home. Actually he air snapped at me once, too, when my dog was an annoying puppy - a centimatre, perhaps, from the tip of my nose. But I know full well that if he intended to bite - I wouldn't have a nose as I type right now. He simply wanted me to remove the small yapping puppy from his vicinity so that he could have a nap (he was around a year old at this point, I think, and over tired from a long walk - fair enough; he wanted to sleep, my then-pup was annoying him, he knew that I was in charge of the annoying creature... I was warned!). Said annoying pup is a rescue, quite neurotic and very possessive/protective of me - I've already had to say to my TTC 26 year old that if babies come along, that the process of introducing them to my dog is going to be a long and tricky one, but that they will never (by my own ruling) be left unsupervised with her... for my dog's welfare, as well as that of these as-yet-hypothetical little ones

If I were you, OP... I would stand my ground over this. The dog's owners cannot afford to be distracted when their dog is around ANY child or baby. Regardless of whether the dog has always been protective of the baby, or not. Right now, it is telling everyone that, for whatever reason, it's had enough. But I would suggest to them that they have the dog health checked if this behaviour is out of the blue (although I suspect it's not the first air snap...) and the dog is not behaving "normally" in their opinion (although it's an animal - there isn't really a "normal" for them). Either the dog is shut away when your family visit, or you don't visit - because when this dog's warnings go unheeded for long enough, it will bite. And they are, I suspect, like you in being unable to "read" their dog's body language/understand its warning signs around fast moving, high pitched little ones. And please don't heed their undoubted retorts of how gentle the dog "usually" is, or anything like it... as a PP has said, this won't be the first time that their dog has cried out for control over its own space, or felt unwell, or simply been frustrated and had enough of the chaos which goes hand-in-hand with toddlers and babies... yet its owners haven't done anything to protect it, or their grandchildren. That's on them. Not their dog, whom they seem unable to understand its micro-aggressions (means of communication). Dangerous dogs rarely growl before they bite.

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Knittingchamp · 06/06/2022 12:19

Im no dog expert but I remember our lovely, cuddly wonderfully soft golden retriever absolutely losing his shit once out of nowhere at a baby in a pushchair. Doggy had been tied on his lead loosely outside a cafe, lots of green space, he was relaxed and happy, sitting down waiting for us, the pushchair was about 10 foot from him, and the parents were in the café too (it was more like an orangery, so nice place to leave the pushchair for a few mins on the lawn, v safe). Anyway, out of nowhere he just lost it and I ran over fast, he was straining on the leash going wild trying to get to the baby, barking like crazy. I was only a teen at the time and still think thank God the lead stopped a foot short else God knows what could've happened.

Not making a point here other than dogs can be predictable even if they're normally cuddly and calm....I think ours got extremely distressed in that moment for some reason.

JenniferAlisonPhilipaSue · 06/06/2022 12:23

Are you sure the dog wasn't just sniffing or licking the baby?

That said, dogs and babies should be kept away from each other.

Its not always the dogs fault. If a toddler is pulling a dogs ear or tail roughly for example, the dog is going to yelp, whine, and even snap. So its not just about keeping an eye on the dog, you need to keep an eye on your child too.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 06/06/2022 16:50

I don't think this is really fair, it's a family dog that has been around the other children for around 3 years, including my older son who was only a baby when dog was brought home

You have had a real life warning - so act on it.

Stop worrying about overreacting.
Stop worrying about whether things are unfair for the dog, or unfair for the PILS and BILS that you have to talk to - you haven't said what their reaction was but given your post it sounds like they are telling you to calm down. Don't
Stop worrying about everyone else.

Your child needs to be adequately supervised around dogs. many dog owners have said on this thread that the dog was not being Protective of your elder DC... but showing signs of stress. They've also said that the owners may not realise this. That's your PIL.
Also it sounds like you are part of a growing extended family with more and more children, at least one 3-year-old as well as the baby so the amount of noise and distractions that the dog is not used to on an everyday basis is growing. It sounds like you may have to find alternative childcare for your birth plan. - Better that than an injury for your little one, even if your PILS are dismissive.

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