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Dog tried to bite my baby

116 replies

UserICantThinkOfAUsername · 06/06/2022 08:48

Morning all. So I've never had dogs, don't know much about them, never really trusted them either.

Yesterday at my PIL house one of the dogs tried to bite my 11 month olds nose in a completely unprovoked attack (she was just crawling next to the dog). Luckily my partner was quick and stopped the dog but she almost bit our LG nose. I didn't allow the dog near her the rest of the day. Previously, said dog has been very protective of my baby and gets upset when she cries etc so we are shocked she's tried biting her. But obviously now I do not trust the dog at all... I am also due our 3rd baby in September who PIL are the default childcare if I go into hospital (planning a homebirth). It's a very close family and we regularly go to their house for gatherings. AIBU to say I will not be going to their home anymore with children if said dog is there?

OP posts:
GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 06/06/2022 10:30

she was just crawling next to the dog

You are all ridiculous to allow this to happen. What if she poked him in the eye, pulled his ear etc? Babies and dogs DO NOT MIX.

It's not the dog's fault at all. It's yours.

godmum56 · 06/06/2022 10:31

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 06/06/2022 09:58

Why on earth aren't people more responsible with their dogs? There is no way I'd allow a dog in the same room as a baby.
My cat was a biter she would just attack visitors so if I had people over the cat would be firmly and comfortably locked in my bedroom until they left and there is no way I'd have trusted her with children.

why on earth aren't people more responsible with their children?

Inertia · 06/06/2022 10:32

You are massively under-reacting. Your baby’s safety at risk because none of the adults are willing to protect him/ her .

HotWashCycle · 06/06/2022 10:32

StooOrangeyforCrows
Absolutely right. Why do people continue to make silly rationalisations about dog behaviour, just to be "nice" to family and friends. There is no way on earth I would put a baby in the same room as a dog. As for worrying about being "prec ious", who cares? Your job as a DM is to protect your vulnerable baby, and dogs - any dogs - are a threat, no matter how many people have them. There are also hundreds of unnecessary and gruesome dog attacks every year.
Given your PILs lax attitude I would not be letting them do childcare. If they come to your house when you are having next baby, it has to be under cast iron guarantee and promise that they will not bring dog with them. I hope you can trust them,but even normally rational people get stupid and sometimes devious about their dogs.

Phobiaphobic · 06/06/2022 10:34

Easy solution is ask your PIL to put a muzzle on the dog when you're there. Then it can't bite anyone.

Gladragdoll · 06/06/2022 10:43

How did your Pil react to their dog snapping at your child? If they weren’t too bothered, I’d be v concerned. Much as I like dogs, they are predators and even the most calm dog can get irritated with young children.

Ithinkimightbebroken · 06/06/2022 10:45

@livelyredjellybean as a behaviour consultant (presuming you are registered with the ABTC) I am surprised you are advocating allowing a crawling baby around a dog it does not live with and that has shown signs of being ‘overprotective’ around children…

SarahSissions · 06/06/2022 10:47

The baby should never have been allowed on the floor near the dog- particularly if the dog had shown to be “protective” of the baby before. Quite often this is resource guarding and not cute and may escalate quite quickly.
Not fair to put child or dog in that situation.
you can get pen fencing on Amazon, that is fairly substantial, it folds down flat, I’d get some and keep it at the PIL to keep kids and dogs physically separate, can be used inside or in the garden

Blaze1886 · 06/06/2022 10:48

I wouldn't visit the house again.

No animal can be trusted.

Imagine if your baby gets bitten and has to grow up with a scar. Don't take the baby anywhere near the dog again, this was a very lucky escape

FearlessFreddie · 06/06/2022 10:49

Phobiaphobic · 06/06/2022 10:34

Easy solution is ask your PIL to put a muzzle on the dog when you're there. Then it can't bite anyone.

An attacking dog can cause a huge amount of harm even with a muzzle on. The solution needs to be that the baby and dogs are kept separate.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 06/06/2022 10:54

Easy solution is ask your PIL to put a muzzle on the dog when you're there.

Are you serious? Poor dog. Don't allow a crawling baby near a dog. Full stop. Ridiculously unsafe parenting.

KettrickenSmiled · 06/06/2022 10:57

Yesterday at my PIL house one of the dogs tried to bite my 11 month olds nose in a completely unprovoked attack (she was just crawling next to the dog). Luckily my partner was quick and stopped the dog but she almost bit our LG nose.
Your partner's reflexes must be preternaturally quick, to be able to stop a dog between intent & commission.

Thank you! I was worried about overreacting as I'm not familiar with dogs so not sure what's normal or not if that makes sense! They were in another room when it happened so not sure of the conversation when they were told by someone else. It was a very hectic day and I felt so confused by the incident!
I'm familiar with dogs.
A dog's movement, from stillness to action, is 4 x faster than Usain Bolt's.
If the dog had intended to bite your little girl's nose, she would have been bitten. There is no way your partner was fast enough to intercept a bite reflex.
Somebody is exaggerating.

Costacoffeeplease · 06/06/2022 11:02

The baby should never be on the floor with a dog, never. All the adults present were complicit, the dog was stressed and reacted. The baby and the dog are the only two not responsible for the situation

MagnoliaTaint · 06/06/2022 11:03

If the dog had intended to bite your little girl's nose, she would have been bitten. There is no way your partner was fast enough to intercept a bite reflex

That's probably true - it sounds like a warning snap. Doesn't really change the advice to keep the baby/dog separate, though.

MissCrowley · 06/06/2022 11:03

YANBU in the slightest and I say that as a dog owner.
My dog is temperamental and would never be alone with my own children never mind a baby! She's never tried to hurt my kids but I don't think anyone should trust their dog implicitly. They are wild animals and can sometimes turn for no reason whatsoever.
Agree with PP that dog should be kept in a different room with the door shut if your child is there. I would've said baby gates but then there's a possibility that little fingers may get bitten if poked through.
We have a large utility room and my office which are backed onto each other. The main door can be locked from the outside (a top lock so children can't reach it) and the dog is put in there when other people are in our house.
Our dogs safety is paramount as are other people.
It would not be fair on the dog if she bit someone and had to be put to sleep because of our negligence.

DahliaMacNamara · 06/06/2022 11:04

I don't think OP is altogether to blame for this as she wasn't in the room, and isn't a dog owner. That said, I'm astonished at how badly even people who have dogs read their body language. My last dog was super handsome and attracted a lot of attention, and admirers with other dogs or children in tow almost always thought he was welcoming them when to me he was very clearly stressed and non-aggressively signalling 'get out of my space'. They were very surprised when I didn't allow their children to pet him. Calm adults by themselves were another matter, and got a far more positive response from him.

Anyway. OP is quite right to be concerned about this incident. I'd want to see serious changes in the set-up before leaving a small child there.

godmum56 · 06/06/2022 11:05

SarahSissions · 06/06/2022 10:47

The baby should never have been allowed on the floor near the dog- particularly if the dog had shown to be “protective” of the baby before. Quite often this is resource guarding and not cute and may escalate quite quickly.
Not fair to put child or dog in that situation.
you can get pen fencing on Amazon, that is fairly substantial, it folds down flat, I’d get some and keep it at the PIL to keep kids and dogs physically separate, can be used inside or in the garden

I agree...put the baby in it! Grin

knowinglesseveryday · 06/06/2022 11:07

I wouldn't even consider taking or leaving a child there, and I'm usually quite relaxed.

ozoruk · 06/06/2022 11:08

How your PIL reacted is the key thing for me here - if they brushed it off as a one off I wouldnt be leaving my child there again.

LightDrizzle · 06/06/2022 11:09

Lots of dog owners are clueless about dogs so while you taking your cues from them is understandable, it was a big mistake.

Knowledgable dog owners would have kept small children and babies apart from the off; using a puppy play pen, baby gate, crate, depending on the size of dog and the configuration of their house.

They would already have explained to you that while Benji has never hurt a fly, unfortunately your baby has to be kept apart and that children should never disturb a sleeping dog or hug them. They should have been setting ground rules not you, it’s their dog.

As everyone has said, the poor dog has already communicated that it finds the baby crying distressing. The fact that its owners dressed this as it being protective of the baby, makes me fear they won’t take this snap seriously and I would not trust the baby to be there without me. I would also tell my DH that they need to keep the dog apart when you visit. It might be possible for the dog to have the run of the whole house barring the one room you are in (baby gate in doorway) so not necessarily the case that poor Benji is condemned to a crate for all visits.

Do not be cowed if they push back or minimise this. If your DH doesn’t back you insist you both visit the IL’s dog’s vet for advice together. There is no doubt he or she would give similar advice to what you are getting here.

You are clearly and understandably feeling defensive because people are inferring you could have protected your baby better, this feeling should give you an insight into why dog owners don’t always react rationally and intelligently when their dog warns, snaps, or even bites; particularly if they didn’t even see it for themselves. They feel defensive of:


  • their beloved dog who has NEVER done that before

  • the idea they failed to protect their beloved baby grandchild who is their world

  • their management of their own household of which they are both the expert and boss


For some people denial or minimising is the refuge from confronting and accepting the uncomfortable truth. You can’t take the easy way out of going along with them on this as even a single bite can be a life changing one.

I hope your husband gets it and takes it from here. It’s not a question of dragging them across hot coals and making them feel bad, it’s acknowledging what happened and deciding a plan to ensure it can’t happen again.

I personally wouldn’t be happy to have two children staying while you are in labour though. It’s too easy for a gate to get left open accidentally or whatever when one is mobile and it’s a longer period.

Good luck!

Jalisco · 06/06/2022 11:09

As a lifelong owner of dogs, and growing up with them since I was a baby myself, you have been massively irresponsible. There is no way that ANY dog should be around a small child without constant supervision because both dogs and children are unpredictable. A baby should not be crawling near a dog, full stop. Not even the best trained dog should be unsupervised around children, especially young children, even in their own household; if you are visiting their household then you should be extra vigilant even if you are a frequent visitor because it is the dogs own territory and not yours.

That said you asked "AIBU to say I will not be going to their home anymore with children if said dog is there?" and the answer is no, you are not being unreasonable if you mean that you won't be taking your children. But if you expect them to get rid of their dog or exclude it from it's own home then that is unreasonable.

InChocolateWeTrust · 06/06/2022 11:10

A dog can be "fine" for years until something triggers it to bite.

It's an animal. Trained/domesticated yes, risk free, no. Keep it away from your kids.

TyrannosaurusRegina · 06/06/2022 11:11

Would there be any way you could pay for the dog to be put in kennels for a few days while the PIL help out?

FabFitFifties · 06/06/2022 11:11

Was it an actual attack or a pretend nip to say watch what you are doing little one? Only asking as my dog treat my son similar to a puppy once he was crawling. If I said "ah ah" to son, he'd rush over to see what was what and might snack at the air, or nudge him gently, as an extra warning. HOWEVER, we weren't there, and neither were GP's, so they need to be guided by you and your husband. If they were suitably concerned, and promise not to allow contact, I wouldn't cancel visits and childcare. If there was obvious aggression, ie not a quick snap at the air with nil else, I wouldn't leave my child there, regardless of assurances. What was your husband's assessment if the situation? GP's need to remember dogs can get more vulnerable themselves with age due to fading sight and hearing and aches and pains. My dog, when very elderly for instance, started to attack the post, because it came as a shock, rather than having heard the postman in the street. The dog might prefer a quiet room during visits.

Pasithea · 06/06/2022 11:22

The dog snapped maybe. Your child is unhurt. Dog needs a vet check , for pain etc and you don’t put a baby on the floor in a dogs own home space.

you have been lucky and had a warning.

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