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To be shocked by the leavers jumpers

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Itsmytreehouse · 01/06/2022 14:48

My dd is leaving primary school this July and we have been sent a link to order leaver jumpers.
The design has their school name and year on the front in large letters and on the back their teachers name and class mates names (including surname) with hand written messages of good luck printed all over.
I might be over reacting but I’m seeing it as a safeguarding concern that these kids will be wearing them around showing their name and school in public. (They’ve been asked to wear them to school for all next term as part of their leavers production outfit)
Should I point this out to the school or forget about it?

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AliBaliBears · 01/06/2022 20:02

QueenofDestruction · 01/06/2022 19:58

How can it not be. Because the information is collected and collected electronically or in lists or other similar formats. The act of sharing that information, probably by email or even printing a list of names all fall under the GDPRs definition of processing. The jumper makers must have stored the information on their systems and mostly the act of printing is electronic or digital these days. The school is only entitled to process children's data for reasons relating to their role as an educator 2hich is certainly not jumpers. Therefore they need consent and this needs to be managed. In order to create the jumpers the children's data was shared with the printing company for non educational purposes. A due diligence would have to have been undertaken by the school before sharing that informationRemember a child's personal data would include first and last names, class , school etc. Gdpr applies to most persdata institutions such as schools and unis use unless they don't use computers at all or don't use an organised paper filing system

This. You explain it better than me.

For those not educated in GDPR and not working under GDPR conditions on a day to day basis as I do, you might not be aware that the penalties for a breach are potentially HUGE.

QueenofDestruction · 01/06/2022 20:02

Villagewaspbyke · 01/06/2022 19:58

Numerous, gosh! How much do you think an average state school would be fined for printing some names on a shirt? Is there no other lawful basis for processing? Are you pretending that consent is required from the child and the parent?

so many questions…

Village its not my problem if you don't get GDPR or don't believe me, if you have more questions I would be happy to advise PM for my fees.😂

bellac11 · 01/06/2022 20:04

A name is not necessarily considered 'personal information' under GDPR, it depends on the context.

I dont have a view on whether this context is one of those or not.

carefullycourageous · 01/06/2022 20:05

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Because it involves printing a child's name on a sweatshirt.

AliBaliBears · 01/06/2022 20:13

bellac11 · 01/06/2022 20:04

A name is not necessarily considered 'personal information' under GDPR, it depends on the context.

I dont have a view on whether this context is one of those or not.

I believe a name is personal information under GDPR if it allows an individual to be identified. And we're talking about it being used in conjunction with school name, so it definitely does in the scenario of school jumpers.

The school have pupils names for the purposes of providing an education. I don't see how they can process that data for the purposes of a school jumper without consent.

lameasahorse · 01/06/2022 20:13

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AliBaliBears · 01/06/2022 20:16

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But it's not just 'a name on a t-shirt' is it. It's whether the school has processed personal data they hold lawfully.

QueenofDestruction · 01/06/2022 20:17

bellac11 · 01/06/2022 20:04

A name is not necessarily considered 'personal information' under GDPR, it depends on the context.

I dont have a view on whether this context is one of those or not.

actually it usually is as GDPR basically defines personal data as data which alone or together with other data can be used to identify an individual. SO Sally is not personal data but Sally who works at Mumsnet is because there are unlikely to be many sallys. The EDPB has also advised that your IP address is personal data.encrypted data is also personal information because it can be unencrypted. So a company dealing with encrypted data still has to treat it as personal data wether or not they hold the key. Its the potential of identifying the individual not the identification itself so in short a name is not personal data as a noun but as soon as its used in a way which with other data or alone could potentially identify someone it is

bellac11 · 01/06/2022 20:19

AliBaliBears · 01/06/2022 20:13

I believe a name is personal information under GDPR if it allows an individual to be identified. And we're talking about it being used in conjunction with school name, so it definitely does in the scenario of school jumpers.

The school have pupils names for the purposes of providing an education. I don't see how they can process that data for the purposes of a school jumper without consent.

Your first sentence is correct, but its a grey area as to whether Milkstreet School, Jack Smith (alongside another 29 names) is identifying either Jack Smith or one of the other 29.

Its fairly meaningless.
And that is assuming that consent, either by the child or the parent hasnt been given because if it has, then there isnt an issue.

However depend on the school,, the type of print, consent given or not, where the jumper goes or doesnt go, is the context

QueenofDestruction · 01/06/2022 20:19

AliBaliBears · 01/06/2022 20:13

I believe a name is personal information under GDPR if it allows an individual to be identified. And we're talking about it being used in conjunction with school name, so it definitely does in the scenario of school jumpers.

The school have pupils names for the purposes of providing an education. I don't see how they can process that data for the purposes of a school jumper without consent.

Much better than my explanation and waffle.

lameasahorse · 01/06/2022 20:23

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33goingon64 · 01/06/2022 20:25

My DS's school hoodies just have first names. I wouldn't have liked surnames for the reason you mention, OP.

QueenofDestruction · 01/06/2022 20:29

bellac11 · 01/06/2022 20:19

Your first sentence is correct, but its a grey area as to whether Milkstreet School, Jack Smith (alongside another 29 names) is identifying either Jack Smith or one of the other 29.

Its fairly meaningless.
And that is assuming that consent, either by the child or the parent hasnt been given because if it has, then there isnt an issue.

However depend on the school,, the type of print, consent given or not, where the jumper goes or doesnt go, is the context

Itis unlikely that there will be so many Jack Smiths as to render this data not useable But the idea of a name not being personal data as described is very much the 2017 guidance, personal data as the question is if it can identify an individual with other information is expounded by Later guidance from the EDPB which very much broadens the application.

uncivil2 · 01/06/2022 20:36

To be honest I’m not that fussed at this. I do see both sides, this item can just be a sentimental piece that the classmates keep in the back of their wardrobe as they get older. There’s also a significant amount of children who are victims of abuse however overall, they are rare and in the minority. The safeguarding angle may be heavy handed but ultimately if a child is at risk as a result of this it is one child too many

carefullycourageous · 01/06/2022 20:38

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Of course it bloody is.

me4real · 01/06/2022 21:41

said paedo wouldn’t even know which child was which from a jumper though.

@Villagewaspbyke That's what I meant. Smile

WhatATimeToBeAlive · 01/06/2022 21:51

They're really naff anyway. Only get worn a couple of times, what a waste of money.

FuchsAndMöhr · 02/06/2022 11:20

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houve made yourself more identifiable with this message than a y6 wearing a leaving jumper with class names on it!

Good use of your credentials 👍🏻

celticprincess · 02/06/2022 18:00

For all you saying they’ll end up in a drawer, my daughter still wears hers two years later - I deliberately ordered it bigger that she was wearing. She loves a hoodie. Hers was the school badge in the front with the year in huge outline on the back filled with first names only. Names repeated several times as small class. They’re usually done in school jumper colour too but for some reason one parent objected the year we got them so they ended up with a non school colour. Another parent also managed to get theirs printed without the school badge on. Surnames does seem a bit odd though.

spanieleyes · 02/06/2022 18:04

Our parents have to give consent for their child's name to be included on the leavers hoodie, saves all the angst about GDPR and safeguarding!

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Feelingoktoday · 02/06/2022 18:43

No one else is interested. Secondly they will soon be at the bottom of the wardrobe screwed up as said child is too cool to wear it.

ThistleTits · 02/06/2022 19:09

@Itsmytreehouse not being unreasonable at all. I would flag it up with the school.

Mollymoostoo · 02/06/2022 19:16

strangersthingsepisodefour · 01/06/2022 15:02

Do people like you really exist?

😂😂
Which section of KCSIE 2021 does leavers hoodies come under? I must have missed that in between children should not have chocolate in their lunch boxes and all children should write in their reading log daily.