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Partner has really upset me - is it him or me being sensitive??

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:31

I've NC because there's a lot of personal information in this post.

The gist of the problem is I don't feel my DP is massively supportive with helping to maintain a work family balance and sees me as the default childcare, expecting me to fit in with the demands on his job and never have the status quo upset for him with his job.

We have a 1 year old. We both work. My job is a 9-5 with some flexibility around times worked so long as I work my hours. I work 4 days a week. His job is a nightmare - FT, long shifts, unsociable hours inc evenings and nights and weekends. We have lots of arguments about how his job impacts on me and means I end up with the bulk of the childcare around my own job (we have no family support so I'm very much solo when he's not around to help).

Last night we spoke about this yet again, because he has recently finished a week of night shifts and has to do more night shifts in July. Nights impact particularly on me because DD doesn't sleep well and sleep deprivation causes a significant deterioration in my MH (DP copes a million times better than I do so he tends to most of the night wakings when I'm at work). We spoke about it a while ago and he agreed to speak to work and try and swap these shifts with colleagues who don't have children (there are usually people willing to swap as they get a week off after a week of nights). Last night I asked if he had made progress with trying to swap these shifts. He said not yet but he's asked a few colleagues. I said what's the plan if they all say no - he said I don't know. I said could you speak to your manager to see if there's any flexibility given the situation?

He then snapped at me saying "what would you do if you were a single mum? You'd have to just get on with it". I said yes but I'm not. And there's no need to snap, I'm only asking what the plan is if no one can take your night shifts.

This is part of an ongoing problem where DP hates to "rock the boat" at work - he'd rather let me and the family down than ask for support or flexibility with his manager at work. He puts work and their priorities first, all the time. He often isn't even willing to ask at work what can be done to support his family situation.

I said I don't feel that you are supporting me here; you seem annoyed by me raising this. He said yes, he is annoyed, because he doesn't want to sacrifice his week off after his July night shifts, because it precedes 2 weeks of annual leave and it would mean he got 3 consecutive weeks off. Now he will only get 2 weeks off. I said Ok, but we need to work this out as a family and what we all need, not just what you want (ie 3 weeks off). My MH could decline quite significantly with that week of nights on my own, and I might end up off work sick. But as long as you get your 3 weeks off? Seems a bit selfish.

He then said "don't say I don't support you - I took time off work when you got admitted to hospital". Two weeks after giving birth I got admitted to an MBU in an mental health crisis situation. He referenced the fact he came home from work and asked for a few extra days off on top of his paternity leave, as an example of how he supports me. I was a bit stunned tbh. He thinks this is worthy of special mention? Isn't this just what any loving partner would do? I wouldn't hesitate to ask for time off work if he was admitted to a hospital, especially 2 weeks postnatally. Maybe I'm unreasonable there and should feel grateful, who knows ...

Also, by raising the MBU experience he's rehashed a lot of trauma that I have tried to bury. I drove to work this morning with it all whirling round my mind. He knows mentioning this is triggering for me.

Who is unreasonable? Is this my problem?

I'm willing to accept AIBU if that's the majority opinion. Please, please just find a way to say it as nicely as possible. I'm not in a good place. 🙁

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JennyForeigner · 31/05/2022 11:27

You were in an MBU and your partner is using it against you???

Bloody hell OP, that's not ok. MBU places aren't assigned lightly. You must have been through something pretty awful, and you deserve help. Exhaustion is a major trigger for post-partum MH distress.

Even without that context you aren't being unreasonable. With it, your DP is being an absolute arse.

Drag him to the doctor with you and ask them to talk it through with him, or get him to join a support group for partners of people with pp MH. He needs to know.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 11:30

Why can't OP change jobs? Why does it have to fall all on her DH?

I could change jobs. I work in a specialist area so I'd have limited options - I look at job opportunities daily and they are few and far between in my specific field. But even if i did change jobs, that wouldn't resolve the evenings, weekends and nights and the mental load I carry single handedly, would it.

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 11:32

JennyForeigner · 31/05/2022 11:27

You were in an MBU and your partner is using it against you???

Bloody hell OP, that's not ok. MBU places aren't assigned lightly. You must have been through something pretty awful, and you deserve help. Exhaustion is a major trigger for post-partum MH distress.

Even without that context you aren't being unreasonable. With it, your DP is being an absolute arse.

Drag him to the doctor with you and ask them to talk it through with him, or get him to join a support group for partners of people with pp MH. He needs to know.

Thank you.

I went through hell. I can't even think about it without severe panic and crying. He knows that. He saw what I went through. That's why it hurts even more that he raised it.

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 11:33

@GlitteryGreen

His manager is aware of my struggles as it was he who authorised DP's time off when I was admitted to the MBU.

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JennyForeigner · 31/05/2022 11:33

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What the fuck?

Would you say this to someone who was in a car accident?

Post partum mental health breakdown is catastrophic. Literally, women can go from being in excellent health with no MH history to being sectioned or worse, and it happens within 10 days of birth.

Read up on post partum psychosis before you start suggesting the OP is in some way responsible for a health condition outside of her control.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 11:36

@JennyForeigner thank you Flowers
I'm literally not even engaging with some posters. Their ignorance is astounding.

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7eleven · 31/05/2022 11:39

What you’re trying to do is incredibly hard. Both working and having a baby who doesn’t sleep well sounds pretty much torture.

Neither of you sound unreasonable to me. You both sound knackered and stressed and we don’t always behave at our best in those times.

Something needs to change. I wouldn’t presume to know what, but you could sit down together and try to work it out.

This is going to sound barmy, but if you worked full time, could you afford to pay for more help? A night nanny for a few months? 4 hours of cleaning a week? Send your laundry to a service?

Sleep deprivation is going to decimate your mental health. What about you going for a night a week to a Premier Inn, so you’re completely undisturbed?

I think if your baby slept, everything would improve. Are there any sleep consultants you could engage?

good luck

luxxlisbon · 31/05/2022 11:40

If he can’t do his 50%, or earn so much to PAY someone to do his share, he needs to look at what HE can do to share. It is not your responsibility.

Do people even read before just ranting?? He does the vast majority of the night wakings! Pretty sure he knows how hard it is to go to work and then come home to the grunt work of a baby.

This is one week OP would have to look after the baby alone after work and it isn’t until July. It’s usually him doing the nights!

JennyForeigner · 31/05/2022 11:45

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 11:36

@JennyForeigner thank you Flowers
I'm literally not even engaging with some posters. Their ignorance is astounding.

Sending you love. I had PPP and life will never really be the same again. It took two years of solid work to get my footing back. The anxiety and fight or flight panic particularly around work much longer.

It takes a resilient person to go through that and to keep buggering on. Bloody well done imho x

CupidStunt22 · 31/05/2022 11:46

yesthatisdrizzle · 31/05/2022 09:09

what would you do if you were a single mum?

The only answer to that is "What would you do if you were a single dad?".

The other answer is, I don't know, why don't you fuck off for yourself and we'll find out?

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 11:48

@luxxlisbon

Do you read before ranting? It's one week of night shifts, yes. But evenings and weekends alone are a common occurrence alongside my own job. As well as all the childcare drop offs and pick ups and being the one to leave work if our child is ever sick (has happened a few times this year alone). I also do all the mental load. The only reason our DD has clothes that fit or age appropriate toys is because I have sorted this for the past year. The reason the childcare bill is paid is because I pay it every month. The reason she eats such a varied diet when not in childcare is because I meal plan for her and freeze portions for her. He had to think of none of that.

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 11:50

And I do all of those things whilst trying really hard to remain mentally well in the ways I've described previously.

I'm asking him to help in whatever small way he can with his own work situation. If they say no we can't help you - fine. At least he tried. But my issue is his attitude to it all - he doesn't see it as something he should even ask or try.

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hotsauce100 · 31/05/2022 11:50

OP, I don't have any advice, wish I did because your situation sounds horrendous. Sending you a big hug, and I hope others have given you advice you find useful

ProclivityForPyrotechnics · 31/05/2022 11:51

It's his job! If he stops doing night he might get sacked..

BadNomad · 31/05/2022 11:54

I don't think either of you are being unreasonable to feel how you feel. He works full-time, does overtime and does most of the night wakings. I'm sure he is exhausted, so I understand why he feels annoyed that you think he should do more to make things easier for you. His comments around your MBU experience wasn't personal, it is just his clumsy way of saying he isn't a lazy husband, he's trying to sort things, but he can't just go to his employer and demand they take him off nights permanently. Which is true.

Plus, even if he does change jobs it doesn't change the underlying issues which are your anxiety at night, stress at work and baby's sleep. I think that's what he was getting at with the single-mother comment - if he drops dead or ends up in hospital or runs off with the milkman, you're still going to have those issues.

Charl881 · 31/05/2022 11:55

OP I think those are two different points. I completely agree that you should split the mental load. Sadly this does typically fall on the mum. My own DP is useless at understanding this, not sure he’s ever bought DS an item of clothing, let alone helped with the whole wardrobe rotation. Unfortunately I have no idea what the solution is to this, I wish I did. I would definitely suggest giving him a list of jobs to do on his days off after his weeks of night shifts, especially while your DC is in childcare.

Your original point was around the night shifts and I still think that him changing is just a short term solution and won’t actually help with the mental load. He is already doing what he can to help with the night wakings / sleep deprivation issues, he can’t do much more there (although appreciate there is a lot more he can do in other areas of parenting).

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 11:58

Plus, even if he does change jobs it doesn't change the underlying issues which are your anxiety at night, stress at work and baby's sleep. I think that's what he was getting at with the single-mother comment - if he drops dead or ends up in hospital or runs off with the milkman, you're still going to have those issues.

True. I would move closer to my family if these things happened, I think.

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ProclivityForPyrotechnics · 31/05/2022 11:59

I'm not being funny but of course the perinatal mental health team will discharge you when your baby turn one. It's shit but there isn't enough funding to continue until you are entirely better, it could be when the child is 5.. they need to support women who have just given birth.
I'm not saying it right at all but it's just the way it is

puffalo · 31/05/2022 11:59

I think you’re being unreasonable.

It’s evident that you aren’t coping at all so I think it would be much easier all round if you dropped down to P/T work and let your partner crack on with his shifts. He sounds like he does his fair share of night wakenings despite working many more hours than you so this isn’t the case of him just being lazy.

If you work part time then you’ll only have 2-3 days of working while tired and probably a day off afterwards to recover. It’ll take the pressure off you and you’ll find it easier in the long run to cope and get better.

You do have to get on with it, unfortunately. I have two kids very close together and some of my shifts start at 6am. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve been up all night with one or both of the kids and had to rock up to work to manage a team for 9 hours on absolutely 0 sleep. Then, more often or not, my partner is on nightshift the same night so yes, I’m home for 3, but I’ve got to get the kids sorted for the afternoon and bedtime alone and then sometimes that can drag on to 12 in the morning. But I work part time, so I have time to catch up on sleep and house admin, etc. I think for you, working FT is just going to push you over the edge and it would be better to take a financial hit now and then go back to FT once your child is sleeping through and is at school more than likely.

Also, regarding your last post, why should he do much of those things when he’s working long, unsociable hours and you’re not? He will pull his weight when he can but I think it’s a bit daft to blame someone who’s working, perhaps, a 12h shift and finishes at 6am in the morning for not having time to meal prep for the week. He might be able to cope with less sleep than you but the man can’t be awake 18 hours of the day, every day.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 12:01

ProclivityForPyrotechnics · 31/05/2022 11:51

It's his job! If he stops doing night he might get sacked..

Where have I asked him not to do night shifts? I haven't said i think he should just not rock up. I've asked if he could speak with his manager to see what other solutions there might be. If there are none, then fine, it is what it is. I'm simply asking him to try and just ask the question. He's not even willing to do that.

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Penguinevere · 31/05/2022 12:06

YANBU you don’t need to justify yourself

it sounds like your DP isn’t terrible but he still needs to do more.

7eleven · 31/05/2022 12:07

OP, perhaps you’re over focusing on this one issue. The bigger picture is what’s going to make life easier.

if you moved near your family, would they help? If that’s at all feasible, I’d consider it.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 12:22

@7eleven yes my family would help if we moved closer. I wouldn't rule it out. DP and I would clearly need new jobs first.

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Howappropriate · 31/05/2022 12:23

Folk on this thread are obsessed with his night shifts. OP has explained it several times now!
I hope you find a solution- can you go stay with family of he's working a weekend so you can get a couple of nights sleep? And company and moral support too. It's lonely sometimes.
Take care of yourself and good luck- some posters have been incredibly rude. No doubt they don't understand that an accident or period of ill health can change your life in a second- lucky them.

Hadtocomment · 31/05/2022 12:28

So many comments I don't think I can add anything that helpful except the part that seems to be missing is the overall financial situation. Which I don't want to ask you about but seems a bit key to whether either of you can reduce work or hire help or whether he might even be extra concerned to do overtime which you mentioned or not rock the boat? A lot of the suggestions on here are about going for one job or the other. But maybe it's worth having a good talk about this aspect going forward. Does he feel worried in case you need to give up work for a while or reduce hours and that might be making him more stressed about doing overtime and nights? Are you a bit strapped at the moment or the cost of living crisis impacting in a way that means he feels he needs to do as much as possible on his weeks off to make a bit more? Whilst your job is better paid it doesn't sound like you are very happy in it at the moment and I stress at the moment. So he might be thinking things are a bit unpredictable on that front and so feels pressure to keep his in the best state he can.

I don't think you are unreasonable at all OP. My heart goes out to you. Such a thing to have gone through is a big deal and sounds traumatic as well. I don't know that focussing on him snapping when you're both under strain is going to get things in a better place though. I wonder if he could also be feeling stressed and yes even traumatised by what happened but obviously not like you were but still, but can't express this because you obviously had the most terrible experience and also you can't (understandably) talk about it .

No blame in any of this. It sounds to me like maybe you need to separate out some of the practical issues from the emotional issues as they are all tangled up at the moment. I'm not sure how to do this to be honest but maybe trying to deal with those things separately might be a start. It doesn't just sound like selfishness to me when a person is doing a lot of work and night wakes etc. But that he feels the need to do all the overtime on his weeks off when you feel you need more help and support sounds like he is also anxious maybe about money or progression in job or whatever and maybe if you knew some of the reasoning it might upset you less but also start to give a few clues as what you both can do to solve things together. Sorry if this answer is rubbish or unhelpful OP. I feel for you and hope things get a lot better for you soon.

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