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Partner has really upset me - is it him or me being sensitive??

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:31

I've NC because there's a lot of personal information in this post.

The gist of the problem is I don't feel my DP is massively supportive with helping to maintain a work family balance and sees me as the default childcare, expecting me to fit in with the demands on his job and never have the status quo upset for him with his job.

We have a 1 year old. We both work. My job is a 9-5 with some flexibility around times worked so long as I work my hours. I work 4 days a week. His job is a nightmare - FT, long shifts, unsociable hours inc evenings and nights and weekends. We have lots of arguments about how his job impacts on me and means I end up with the bulk of the childcare around my own job (we have no family support so I'm very much solo when he's not around to help).

Last night we spoke about this yet again, because he has recently finished a week of night shifts and has to do more night shifts in July. Nights impact particularly on me because DD doesn't sleep well and sleep deprivation causes a significant deterioration in my MH (DP copes a million times better than I do so he tends to most of the night wakings when I'm at work). We spoke about it a while ago and he agreed to speak to work and try and swap these shifts with colleagues who don't have children (there are usually people willing to swap as they get a week off after a week of nights). Last night I asked if he had made progress with trying to swap these shifts. He said not yet but he's asked a few colleagues. I said what's the plan if they all say no - he said I don't know. I said could you speak to your manager to see if there's any flexibility given the situation?

He then snapped at me saying "what would you do if you were a single mum? You'd have to just get on with it". I said yes but I'm not. And there's no need to snap, I'm only asking what the plan is if no one can take your night shifts.

This is part of an ongoing problem where DP hates to "rock the boat" at work - he'd rather let me and the family down than ask for support or flexibility with his manager at work. He puts work and their priorities first, all the time. He often isn't even willing to ask at work what can be done to support his family situation.

I said I don't feel that you are supporting me here; you seem annoyed by me raising this. He said yes, he is annoyed, because he doesn't want to sacrifice his week off after his July night shifts, because it precedes 2 weeks of annual leave and it would mean he got 3 consecutive weeks off. Now he will only get 2 weeks off. I said Ok, but we need to work this out as a family and what we all need, not just what you want (ie 3 weeks off). My MH could decline quite significantly with that week of nights on my own, and I might end up off work sick. But as long as you get your 3 weeks off? Seems a bit selfish.

He then said "don't say I don't support you - I took time off work when you got admitted to hospital". Two weeks after giving birth I got admitted to an MBU in an mental health crisis situation. He referenced the fact he came home from work and asked for a few extra days off on top of his paternity leave, as an example of how he supports me. I was a bit stunned tbh. He thinks this is worthy of special mention? Isn't this just what any loving partner would do? I wouldn't hesitate to ask for time off work if he was admitted to a hospital, especially 2 weeks postnatally. Maybe I'm unreasonable there and should feel grateful, who knows ...

Also, by raising the MBU experience he's rehashed a lot of trauma that I have tried to bury. I drove to work this morning with it all whirling round my mind. He knows mentioning this is triggering for me.

Who is unreasonable? Is this my problem?

I'm willing to accept AIBU if that's the majority opinion. Please, please just find a way to say it as nicely as possible. I'm not in a good place. 🙁

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Blarting · 31/05/2022 20:24

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 20:21

Where have I said he does no bedtimes?! You're creating an argument against something I've never raised as an issue. My issue is the amount of time he spends not here because of work, which includes many (not all) evenings and many (not all) weekends and some night shifts. When he's here, he pitches in with night wakings as I've already said and he also does some bedtimes.

I mean, it's actually a novelty to have him home before 8pm tbh, for all 3 of us! DD is enjoying bedtime with daddy.

Who has said he doesn't do bedtime? I didn't?

He sounds fine TBH, hardworking, takes responsibility when he's there, maybe earns not as much but earns his best to make that up with overtime.

What about the idea of home doing the nights and then when he's off the next week tries to start sleep training? If it's successful, it's problem solved?

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 20:26

When she came home from working at 6, then did bedtime, so he could continue to mon about her on a forum?

More fabrication.

He started bedtime (because he wanted to do it) at 7.30pm. Point to where I have "moaned about him" since that time? I've spoken mostly about my job and sleep training this evening actually!

So I'm really sorry to disappoint you, but the reality doesn't seem to fit your preferred narrative that I have "forced" DP to do bedtime "so I can moan about him" online.

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 20:29

I've actually just popped up to offer a hand with getting her settled (evil witch that I am), and he's declined, saying he's enjoying the cuddles! 🤷‍♀️

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TabithaTittlemouse · 31/05/2022 20:30

When I started reading the op I thought you were being a little unreasonable. Then I read on.

The reason that I thought you were being unreasonable at first is because I do similar shifts to your Dh but the only reason that I can work those shifts is because my husband supports me because he is physically and mentally able to.

If that changed I would have to have a massive rethink.

If you had a physical disability and were unable to care for your little one at night I think you would have had very different responses to your post.

Blarting · 31/05/2022 20:31

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 20:29

I've actually just popped up to offer a hand with getting her settled (evil witch that I am), and he's declined, saying he's enjoying the cuddles! 🤷‍♀️

He's a keeper, hopefully she doesn't have him up too often tonight!

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 20:31

However his job involves night shifts which presumably it dod before you had a child

It involved 2 sets of nights per year, max.
His shift pattern changed after DD was born to nights approx every 10 weeks.

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sausagesandchamp · 31/05/2022 20:34

It sounds like your DH hasn't the capacity to support you further with baby night shifts on top of work. He won't change his job to support your MH- would you change your job to support your MH? Work fewer hours, a less pressured job or can you go PT/SAHM? Does the good sleep need to be at night?

Singlebutmarried · 31/05/2022 20:35

Hi OP

youre getting a bit of a shit time on here. I’ve read your posts and I see that sleep training is not a thing (I’m assuming you’re thinking of the crying it out type method). Now I’m sure somewhere on here when DD was about a year there was a big thing about a gentle sleep training (some sort of baby whisperer guru) who didn’t do the crying it out type stuff.

I wish I could remember the name of it.

It wouldn’t stop the bulk of the load falling to you, but it would give you more of the reserves you need.

I hope you find an answer, or the DD decides that sleep isn’t for the weak x

Notfatundertall · 31/05/2022 20:36

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 20:31

However his job involves night shifts which presumably it dod before you had a child

It involved 2 sets of nights per year, max.
His shift pattern changed after DD was born to nights approx every 10 weeks.

That is probably info you should have included in the OP.

I honestly understand but unfortunately it is what it is. You either need to find a way to cope or you need to look at him changing jobs to one that is more family friendly.

Wowwe · 31/05/2022 20:37

You are gonna drive the poor man away!

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 20:38

Singlebutmarried · 31/05/2022 20:35

Hi OP

youre getting a bit of a shit time on here. I’ve read your posts and I see that sleep training is not a thing (I’m assuming you’re thinking of the crying it out type method). Now I’m sure somewhere on here when DD was about a year there was a big thing about a gentle sleep training (some sort of baby whisperer guru) who didn’t do the crying it out type stuff.

I wish I could remember the name of it.

It wouldn’t stop the bulk of the load falling to you, but it would give you more of the reserves you need.

I hope you find an answer, or the DD decides that sleep isn’t for the weak x

What a lovely reply. Thank you Flowers

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 20:40

That is probably info you should have included in the OP.

Yes possibly. I didn't think it would make a difference when the night shift pattern had started, however, as we are where we are now.

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 20:42

But yes, it was a good few months after DD's birth that he was told his shift pattern was changing and nights would be more frequent. Obviously the first ones I was still on maternity leave.

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JerryGarcia · 31/05/2022 20:44

Have you asked him what he'd do if he was a single Dad?

Charl881 · 31/05/2022 20:51

What I don’t get OP having just caught up on these last few posts, is if DD is in childcare while you’re at work why do you need to book the days off when he does night shifts? I get that you’re doing the night wakings that night but is she really up that much that you can’t wfh the next day with her at childcare? Could you try just booking one day off that week so you have one day for catching up on sleep?

Google the gentle sleep book by Sarah ockwell or see if you can find a sleep consultant near you, most don’t use cry it out these days.

Notfatundertall · 31/05/2022 20:52

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 20:40

That is probably info you should have included in the OP.

Yes possibly. I didn't think it would make a difference when the night shift pattern had started, however, as we are where we are now.

It probably would have saved some of the vitriol on here.

Expecting to cope for 2 weeks out of 52 is very different to 1 every 2.5 months.

It should still be achievable, and you need to work on ways to cope (easier said than done I know) but when you are tired, stressed and emotionally overwhelmed rationality tends to slip.

Your dd not sleeping well is awful. As I said mine went on til she was 6 (underlying medical issue that took a battle to get treatment for) so I do understand. I worked full time 6 days a week on week 1 and 5 days on week 2. I did 60+ hour weeks even on my 5 day week so coming home and getting no decent sleep was horrific.

But there are options that may (or may not) make life easier for you.

If she settles better co-sleeping try that the weeks he is on nights

Gentle sleep training (Google it)

Look at her routine, is she over tired/stimulated after a day in childcare. Are there more gentle ways to manage your evening? Ie forgo a bath and have quiet story time (cbeebies nighttime was my go to)

try White noise apps or story cds to give her some background noise to calm her at night

As harsh as it sounds your partner not working nights is not an option unless he changes his job. He can't help it and having a pop at him or demanding he speaks to his Manager for a solution is massively unreasonable (sorry). All you will end up doing is driving a wedge between you and risking your relationship failing.

Being a parent is hard but it is so much harder when you lose the ability tonwork as a team. You have a great team judging by your posts. Don't ruin it.

EverydayIsPJday · 31/05/2022 20:55

@stressedmum22 what do you actually want to happen here? Genuine question. You said you want your partner to ask to change his shift patterns. What if they just say no? Do you accept that decision and then what? You said you want him to share the load more with your DD but he seems to be doing bedtimes etc whilst you are having a break now, and you've said he does the night shifts when he can.

Not saying he's doing exactly 50% as I don't live with you I can't possibly answer that. But he's doing stuff after returning from a day's work and/or doing long hours over night. He's then also moving his shift patterns when he can.

Others have suggested sleep training. Not all sleep training results in wailing and crying. I get you don't want to go through that btw. But at some point your DD needs to learn to sleep through by herself, that could be YEARS away without intervening.

I guess I really don't get where this ends and you are happy with the outcome. What's the end goal here if not for your partner to change his job? I don't see how he is winning at all either tbh.

Blarting · 31/05/2022 20:57

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 20:26

When she came home from working at 6, then did bedtime, so he could continue to mon about her on a forum?

More fabrication.

He started bedtime (because he wanted to do it) at 7.30pm. Point to where I have "moaned about him" since that time? I've spoken mostly about my job and sleep training this evening actually!

So I'm really sorry to disappoint you, but the reality doesn't seem to fit your preferred narrative that I have "forced" DP to do bedtime "so I can moan about him" online.

Sorry as you e been posting constantly since 6, I assumed your DH had taken over on his return from work.

CottonSock · 31/05/2022 20:58

I've trod in your shoes and after reading most of your thread yabvu, sorry. You lying awake at night is not the fault of your dh or his job.
In our position, my dh went onto have a breakdown.
MH issues do make perspective difficult.

Sleep train your baby at the first step.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 21:06

what do you actually want to happen here? Genuine question.

Ideally? For DP to have a more family friendly job. If that's not possible, for him to at least understand or try to understand the impact on me of that not being the case. I guess.

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 21:07

@Notfatundertall

Thank you, v helpful post! Flowers

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RewildingAmbridge · 31/05/2022 21:08

I get s lot of what you're saying OP, I have a more senior role to DH in a profession where a fuck up by me puts lives at imminent risk. I also carried most of the mental load. When I first went back we argued a lot because he couldn't see all the things I had been doing during mat leave couldn't continue when I was back at work and couldn't just be left. I also work FT over 4 days, it's tiring.
Ultimately the agreement we came to was he needed to pull his weight properly at home not just with the odd bit of washing up and hanging out some laundry. Also that we needed a system to automate as many mental load tasks as possible. Our family Google calendar is now chock full of reminders colour coded, so if it's not my colour I ignore it and if it doesn't get done that's on him to solve not to bring to me to fix.
My partner works in a similar industry to me but at a senior practitioner level so his job can be more chaotic and can result in a panicked I'm not going to get out on time tonight can you get DS from nursery. Some of my work is more flexible and can be caught up in the evenings, so I can do this but it's always on the proviso that he balances it in some way eg ok but I'm going to have to work later then so I need you to sort something for dinner and do the lunches for tomorrow while I finish my tasks (even if it's my turn). We're in a much better rhythm now.

Essentially I guess what I'm saying is if him swapping nights is going to cause issues for him at work, affect career potential or working relationships and he just feels unable to ask, he needs to pull weight in other ways to take stress off of you. Have you considered couples counselling to work through some of the perceived imbalances and to give some practical solutions?

RewildingAmbridge · 31/05/2022 21:11

Oh DH also changed to FT over 4 days too which helped me to have a long working day once a week where I just get up get myself ready and go to work and have long hours to have a good run at it, no worry about time to get home etc, he also takes care of dinner so I've something to eat when I get home that night

gamerchick · 31/05/2022 21:12

CottonSock · 31/05/2022 20:58

I've trod in your shoes and after reading most of your thread yabvu, sorry. You lying awake at night is not the fault of your dh or his job.
In our position, my dh went onto have a breakdown.
MH issues do make perspective difficult.

Sleep train your baby at the first step.

That's the thing isn't it. The low blow that was dealt this morning was the first crack in his own mental health. Something will need to give eventually.

puffalo · 31/05/2022 21:13

No harm but today you’ve:

  • worked your full shift and had time during your job to respond to nearly 20 pages of a thread apart from a tiny slot in the middle of your work day, so hardly a manic day at the office
  • gave off about your husband the whole day while he was asking for favours and got his shifts covered to make you happy
  • your partner then came home and has taken over with bedtime while you presumably relax on the sofa as you’re continuing to respond to the thread
  • your partner will do any night wakenings tonight
I really don’t see how you’re hard done by? If you were WFM today instead of spending the majority of it on Mumsnet, you could have used that time to do some of the life admin you complain about. If your partner is doing bedtime, instead of sitting on Mumsnet right now, why don’t you go to bed?

Your child was in childcare the whole day from I presume 8/9am this morning til half 5 tonight, and then your partner took over as soon as you got home, so you had to do a maximum of about 2 hours of looking after your child today.

I’m only mentioning this because you’ve described your situation as if your job is incredibly stressful and difficult, you’re always left on your own with your child and you never get a rest or sleep, so unless today was this magical once in a lifetime day, it really doesn’t seem that taxing compared to what a lot of parents have to do. I really don’t think your husband is a problem in this.

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