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Partner has really upset me - is it him or me being sensitive??

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:31

I've NC because there's a lot of personal information in this post.

The gist of the problem is I don't feel my DP is massively supportive with helping to maintain a work family balance and sees me as the default childcare, expecting me to fit in with the demands on his job and never have the status quo upset for him with his job.

We have a 1 year old. We both work. My job is a 9-5 with some flexibility around times worked so long as I work my hours. I work 4 days a week. His job is a nightmare - FT, long shifts, unsociable hours inc evenings and nights and weekends. We have lots of arguments about how his job impacts on me and means I end up with the bulk of the childcare around my own job (we have no family support so I'm very much solo when he's not around to help).

Last night we spoke about this yet again, because he has recently finished a week of night shifts and has to do more night shifts in July. Nights impact particularly on me because DD doesn't sleep well and sleep deprivation causes a significant deterioration in my MH (DP copes a million times better than I do so he tends to most of the night wakings when I'm at work). We spoke about it a while ago and he agreed to speak to work and try and swap these shifts with colleagues who don't have children (there are usually people willing to swap as they get a week off after a week of nights). Last night I asked if he had made progress with trying to swap these shifts. He said not yet but he's asked a few colleagues. I said what's the plan if they all say no - he said I don't know. I said could you speak to your manager to see if there's any flexibility given the situation?

He then snapped at me saying "what would you do if you were a single mum? You'd have to just get on with it". I said yes but I'm not. And there's no need to snap, I'm only asking what the plan is if no one can take your night shifts.

This is part of an ongoing problem where DP hates to "rock the boat" at work - he'd rather let me and the family down than ask for support or flexibility with his manager at work. He puts work and their priorities first, all the time. He often isn't even willing to ask at work what can be done to support his family situation.

I said I don't feel that you are supporting me here; you seem annoyed by me raising this. He said yes, he is annoyed, because he doesn't want to sacrifice his week off after his July night shifts, because it precedes 2 weeks of annual leave and it would mean he got 3 consecutive weeks off. Now he will only get 2 weeks off. I said Ok, but we need to work this out as a family and what we all need, not just what you want (ie 3 weeks off). My MH could decline quite significantly with that week of nights on my own, and I might end up off work sick. But as long as you get your 3 weeks off? Seems a bit selfish.

He then said "don't say I don't support you - I took time off work when you got admitted to hospital". Two weeks after giving birth I got admitted to an MBU in an mental health crisis situation. He referenced the fact he came home from work and asked for a few extra days off on top of his paternity leave, as an example of how he supports me. I was a bit stunned tbh. He thinks this is worthy of special mention? Isn't this just what any loving partner would do? I wouldn't hesitate to ask for time off work if he was admitted to a hospital, especially 2 weeks postnatally. Maybe I'm unreasonable there and should feel grateful, who knows ...

Also, by raising the MBU experience he's rehashed a lot of trauma that I have tried to bury. I drove to work this morning with it all whirling round my mind. He knows mentioning this is triggering for me.

Who is unreasonable? Is this my problem?

I'm willing to accept AIBU if that's the majority opinion. Please, please just find a way to say it as nicely as possible. I'm not in a good place. 🙁

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ChateauxNeufDePoop · 31/05/2022 15:20

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:49

Oh ffs.

It was him who said "there's usually a few colleagues without kids who are willing to swap".

Take it up with him.

And he asked them didn't he?

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 15:50

PaddingtonBearStareAgain · 31/05/2022 14:33

Why should you have to sacrifice what you've been working for all these years because he doesn't want to ask some awkward questions at work?

It's affecting her MH. Maybe he likes doing his job just as OP doesn't want to give up hers.

It is the combination of factors affecting my mental health:

  • my job is stressful and demanding
  • my child wakes multiple times at night
  • my partner is absent very frequently for work due to his overtime and unsociable hours leaving a lot of the practical childcare to me
  • all of the mental load of childcare and house tasks falls to me

Before I had a baby, I could manage the stress of my job. If I just had the baby and no job, I could manage the stress. If I had a partner who was home more and worked more sociable hours and/or split the mental load with me, I could manage the stress.

It's all of it combined tipping me over.

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LIZS · 31/05/2022 15:51

Did he previously do any of the house admin, cleaning etc?

Brefugee · 31/05/2022 15:54

tbh i think it's difficult with work, because it often looks as though people with children want all the best shifts, the best holidays (weather wise), flexible working to cover illness, nativity plays etc, and especially for men (maybe the DH works in a male dominated environment) it can be difficult to still be seen as one of the team, someone who is a good fit for the company etc, if they ask to change shifts.

OTOH the DHs company might be great about giving him flexibility for a while to support his wife. Only the DH knows that.

But from OP the only suggestions about job compromises have been that DH should change, and she isn't changing anything. And i know how incredibly difficult it can be to see someone else's pov, especially if you throw poor MH into the mix (i have some experience of family members having to prioritise their MH and it does make them, necessarily, selfish in many respects. That is an observation not a criticism. It is important to have it acknowledged though)

Also if OP is exhausted and not thinking straight, it makes everything so much harder, which is why pp are offering many different perspectives and possible (hopefully) solutions. So jumping all over people like me who maybe come across as unsympathetic is only feeding into OPs (necessary) selfishness in some ways and it isn't helpful.

One thing i was wondering, I'm not in UK so i have no idea if this is possible (or if OP would want it) - but since the baby is only 1, is there a chance of having 6 months or so more parental leave so that OP has breathing space to work out what will help the family in future?

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 15:57

Marmite17 · 31/05/2022 14:17

Tbh I think OP that your comments about lives being at risk if you are not on form at work are telling.
You care but maybe have no control of decisions or natural outcomes.
Get a back up and learn to trust yourself, however sleep deprived, with your baby?

Sorry I'm not sure what you mean

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Charl881 · 31/05/2022 15:58

Multiple people have suggested solutions to the sleep issue but you’ve not acknowledged any of them and you have said your DH deals with almost all of the night wakings apart from the one week every couple of months when he’s on the night shift.

It’s not fair for either of you to have to compromise on your jobs if neither of you want to. He shouldn’t have to change his job to help you, but neither should you have to go part time or give up work if you don’t want to.

I do agree he should share more of the mental load. It sounds like this is really what’s at the crux of it, that he doesn’t recognise this and that it’s building resentment in you. Could you try writing down a list of everything you do then maybe during his upcoming time off sit down with him and have a proper talk through of the load on you and what he could do to support you when he’s not at work (that doesn’t involve him changing shifts). You could also both look at getting a cleaner etc if funds allows to help ease the burden on you both.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 16:01

I can see the mummy martyrs are out in force! I have worked at places where people happily trade their day shifts for nights, lots of places pay better for nights and throw in some extra days off.

Yes, his words were that people often want nights for the week off afterwards, so people often willing to swap.

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whumpthereitis · 31/05/2022 16:01

Clearly he’s expected to do night shifts. There will be times that others will happily swap, but it’s not unreasonable that there will also be times they won’t. He’s probably already got a reputation as someone that’s always looking to get out of night shift, so if he takes it to his boss he’s just going to look at best difficult, and at worst underhand and not a team player. What do you expect his boss to do? Force a swap with someone he’s already asked, who has said no?

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 16:13

What do you expect his boss to do?

I have no expectations of his boss at all. I expect him to give a shit about my well-being and at least be prepared to have a discussion with his boss. If nothing came of it, fine. At least be tried and showed he cared. That's it.

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JenniferPlantain · 31/05/2022 16:15

Okay, I’ve read through all your posts and some of the PPs replies, also googled MBU. Clearly something has to give here.

From absorbing all you’ve posted, I strongly think you and your partner need to join forces to find him a new job/role that has routine at its core? Might this be a possibility? Or is his field always going to involve this level of shift unpredictability?

coffeecupsandfairylights · 31/05/2022 16:19

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 16:13

What do you expect his boss to do?

I have no expectations of his boss at all. I expect him to give a shit about my well-being and at least be prepared to have a discussion with his boss. If nothing came of it, fine. At least be tried and showed he cared. That's it.

Maybe he doesn't want to rock the boat.

If nights are part of his job role then he can't probably can't permanently opt out of them. There are lots of jobs where you're required to work anti-social hours and it sounds like his might be one of them. Swapping shifts occasionally might be okay but doing it all the time or asking for a permanent change could cause issues long-term.

puffalo · 31/05/2022 16:26

JenniferPlantain · 31/05/2022 16:15

Okay, I’ve read through all your posts and some of the PPs replies, also googled MBU. Clearly something has to give here.

From absorbing all you’ve posted, I strongly think you and your partner need to join forces to find him a new job/role that has routine at its core? Might this be a possibility? Or is his field always going to involve this level of shift unpredictability?

Why should he though? He already does the night wakenings?

If he had a job with different hours he likely wouldn’t be able to do as many of the nights with the baby, would still be out of the house 42.5h or so a week, OPs job would still stress her out and the baby will still wake up.

His job isn’t really the issue here. If he works early in the mornings he won’t do the nighttimes. If he works later in the morning he won’t be back til bedtime. If he works nightshift then that’s an issue for OP. If he works Monday to Friday then yes he’s free weekends, but it means he’s no longer free a day or two during the week when OP is working to take over for her.

Whereas if she reduced her hours or changed job she would be less stressed, less exhausted and struggle less. His job doesn’t change her stressful she finds hers.

unfortunatelyno · 31/05/2022 16:29

Everything @puffalo just said.

whowhatwerewhy · 31/05/2022 16:33

What do you expect his boss to do?

I have no expectations of his boss at all. I expect him to give a shit about my well-being and at least be prepared to have a discussion with his boss. If nothing came of it, fine. At least be tried and showed he cared. That's it.

Maybe he has asked and doesn't want to upset you by saying it's not possible. Maybe he's hoping someone will swop , maybe his colleagues have been understanding up to now and he can't push his luck any more .

You don't seem to want to address the fact you can't get back to sleep because your job plays on your mind .

To me it's your job causing this not his .

Nanny0gg · 31/05/2022 16:41

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:28

And how would that help?

I think she means perhaps one that isn't so stressful?

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 16:58

To me it's your job causing this not his .

You're wrong. I have done my job for many years pre baby with no issues whatsoever. It's always been a demanding stressful field. I've studied and worked for 2 decades to get where I am career wise. I can manage the stress of and demands of my job under normal circumstances. I cannot manage it very well under conditions of sleep deprivation and being the sole carer for a baby most of the time with little support. It's the combination of those things causing my stress.

I've now said this twice.

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 16:58

To me it's your job causing this not his .

You're wrong. I have done my job for many years pre baby with no issues whatsoever. It's always been a demanding stressful field. I've studied and worked for 2 decades to get where I am career wise. I can manage the stress of and demands of my job under normal circumstances. I cannot manage it very well under conditions of sleep deprivation and being the sole carer for a baby most of the time with little support. It's the combination of those things causing my stress.

I've now said this twice.

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 17:00

Added to which my job brings home the bulk of our household income. If I had a lower paying job DP would end up needing to do more overtime to compensate, thus being absent more than he is now.

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LIZS · 31/05/2022 17:03

But even with the best will in the world working post children is always more stressful and logistically trickier than before. If your dh adapted his hours to avoid nights the stress level and your ability to cope with disturbed nights will remain. What childcare do you have, is there any flexibility so that you get time to yourself to destress and seek support for your mh, even if on your non working day.

Dishwashersaurous · 31/05/2022 17:06

Why is an over one child waking multiple times every single night?

Maybe he could use his three weeks off in a row to tackle the sleep issue and resolve the night waking.

Then his shifts are not such a problem.

Dishwashersaurous · 31/05/2022 17:08

Also, I don't think you appreciate that everyone has to amend their career slightly when children are very small.

Or get bombproof childcare.

Could you get a live in nanny who could then do night wakings when he's on shift?

whowhatwerewhy · 31/05/2022 17:09

"I can manage the stress of and demands of my job under normal circumstances."

Op you have a child now , this is now "normal "

I'm sorry you have poor mental health, but you need solutions to your new life .
Did you not discuss childcare arrangements when planning your baby ?
I appreciate your MH issues were unforeseen and unfortunate but you and your DP must come to a workable arrangement.

Mally100 · 31/05/2022 17:11

Why are you not answering about trying a nanny or other childcare? That would be a first solution rather than uproot and move to your parents?

coffeecupsandfairylights · 31/05/2022 17:23

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 16:58

To me it's your job causing this not his .

You're wrong. I have done my job for many years pre baby with no issues whatsoever. It's always been a demanding stressful field. I've studied and worked for 2 decades to get where I am career wise. I can manage the stress of and demands of my job under normal circumstances. I cannot manage it very well under conditions of sleep deprivation and being the sole carer for a baby most of the time with little support. It's the combination of those things causing my stress.

I've now said this twice.

But, for good or for bad, this is your new normal. You have a baby now and both you and your DP need to figure out how to make it all work.

What about temporary night-time childcare on the weeks your DP works nights? Yes, it won't be cheap but it's much better than you using your annual leave all the time because you can't cope. Or go part-time for a while until your child is older and a bit more settled, or see if you can WFH occasionally to cut down on your commute until your child is a bit older.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 17:28

We can't afford a nanny. I'm not sure what people think I earn but it's not enough to cover a nanny

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