Page 15 | To think Harry and Meg should be banned from the Queens Jubilee?

CallMeCatherine · 2022-05-28T19:58:15+00:00

Why are they bothering? They hate the UK, the RF, the whole institution and couldn’t wait to escape, accused the RF and British public of being racist, not welcoming Meg, or caring about her mental health. Her SIL even made her cry allegedly! They did a public interview about it being so hard being a Duke and Duchess in the UK that they just had to flee to a California mansion so they could be Royal there instead. Do we as the public want to see them at a publicly funded celebration of our Queens 70 years on our throne? All they’ve done is embarrass the monarchy selling stories and their connection. AIBU to think the Queen should have cut them orf? [Yes, Andrew has massively embarrassed the monarchy as well but he didn’t flounce from the UK and give interviews about how the RF let him down.]

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 30/05/2022 09:45

I don’t think we should be having a Jubilee celebration with the state the country’s in.

But if we’re having one, I don’t see why the Queen’s grandson should be there. He’s not an alleged sex offender like Andrew.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/05/2022 11:04

Spectacularly well said at 04.45, LilythePunk; as you pinpointed it comes to down to choice and judgement, and while I've seen very few criticise H&M for the fact of wanting to leave (free world and all that) it's the way they've behaved around it which people notice

As we've seen with other RF members, spilling personal affairs to the media rarely leads to anything positive, and I wouldn't expect that to be different here

On a slight side note, I do agree that "who to invite" is the Queen's choice. However while H&M's behaviour pales into insignificance against Andrew's, I just wonder if the same principle would be applied if she chose to highlight his presence ... after all she's done it before and that didn't go down well

Aswad · 30/05/2022 12:23

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PeekAtYou · 30/05/2022 13:59

LilythePunk · 30/05/2022 04:45

It’s absolutely fine that they’ve left. They could have done it more graciously and with more regard to the family’s feelings, but good on them . However, they didn’t need to give that OW interview which was jaw dropping in its crassness. Causing immense hurt and damage. They came across as spoilt and self absorbed.

They didn’t need to collaborate with a book which was basically ghost written and was even more crass in its content and just as damaging.

They didn’t need to spend lockdown giving lectures by video about subjects they knew little or nothing about.

Harry could have avoided spilling all the beans whilst his grandfather lay dying. He could have made the effort to attend Philips memorial service.

They don’t need to make a documentary about themselves so they can rake in the millions when they claimed to hate the cameras and want a private life.

Hypocrisy, outright lying and self absorption. Yet the RF keep trying to keep them in the fold.

The RF no doubt has behaved insensitively at times and could probably have been more supportive when they were working Royals. However, their private feuding could have been kept private. H and M could have left gracefully without publicising every slight for the world to gasp and comment on. It would have denied the DM fodder and helped them to live a quieter private life. I don’t think they want a quiet private life at all. They want a life of vast privilege and wealth without having to do any real work. They want the celebrity and the freebies, the expensive clothes and the celebrity friends without being held accountable in any way. I don’t see anything at all to admire in that. I don’t care one jot what colour M is. I just don’t like her attitude.

Incidentally , I used to think Harry was great. He was my favourite Royal. He now shows his true colours, and they ain’t pretty.

I agree with lots of your post except the bit about not liking Meghan's attitude. I think that BP had created an image of Harry that was very different to reality and he is very much like Meghan.

Even if he'd not met her I think that it's very likely that he'd live elsewhere in the Commonwealth and married a woman who wasn't British so the media attention was different to the UK. It's well known that Charles was going to slimline the monarchy so jumping before they are pushed is understandable.

Harry had a secret meeting with Oprah in 2018 so it's not as simple as they were left with no choice. It's the 21st century so there's a lot of ways to get your story out (Netflix would have been one avenue)

They aren't the helpless victims that they like to portray. They are as shady and willing to the use the media as the RF with their planted stories and rumours imo

LilythePunk · 30/05/2022 14:36

PeekAtYou · 30/05/2022 13:59

I agree with lots of your post except the bit about not liking Meghan's attitude. I think that BP had created an image of Harry that was very different to reality and he is very much like Meghan.

Even if he'd not met her I think that it's very likely that he'd live elsewhere in the Commonwealth and married a woman who wasn't British so the media attention was different to the UK. It's well known that Charles was going to slimline the monarchy so jumping before they are pushed is understandable.

Harry had a secret meeting with Oprah in 2018 so it's not as simple as they were left with no choice. It's the 21st century so there's a lot of ways to get your story out (Netflix would have been one avenue)

They aren't the helpless victims that they like to portray. They are as shady and willing to the use the media as the RF with their planted stories and rumours imo

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Yes, I think Harry saw how Diana operated and that normalised it perhaps. I do think Harry was someone who genuinely cared about others and wanted to do good though. He now seems to have lost that aspect of his character. The guy who loved Africa and the Army has been replaced by a spoilt , rather lazy man with a massive sense of entitlement. He used to want to be ‘one of the people’.

PeekAtYou · 30/05/2022 14:46

@LilythePunk I believe that lots of royal biographies are written with secret "help" so don't judge them for corroborating on FF - it's the denials (from all royals when this happens) that are tedious.

PeekAtYou · 30/05/2022 14:51

He now seems to have lost that aspect of his character. The guy who loved Africa and the Army has been replaced by a spoilt , rather lazy man with a massive sense of entitlement. He used to want to be ‘one of the people’.

He seemed happier in the army but that's not a life compatible with a wife and children. I don't think anyone would be surprised if he'd moved to Africa.

LilythePunk · 30/05/2022 14:54

PeekAtYou · 30/05/2022 14:46

@LilythePunk I believe that lots of royal biographies are written with secret "help" so don't judge them for corroborating on FF - it's the denials (from all royals when this happens) that are tedious.

No I judge them for the toe curling content and lying about their involvement in it.

Floweryflora · 30/05/2022 14:54

I also think the palace created an image Of Harry that was far from reality. I think Meghan is simply his enabler and supporter, and I believe he is the lead instigator in the huge mess. She may have egged him on, but it’s him who is driving the train wreck.

If she wanted an acting career, that’s gone forever, she’s too contentious a figure now, her reputation as a rising star from suits, is totally ruined by being tied to Harry, who comes across as terribly entitled, selfish and arrogant. He simply trades on his name, royal connections and tries to cash in on it.

he had so much more to offer, but like a pair of fools they thought they could go across the Atlantic and become these huge stars, making billions, they believed their own hype.L and for awhile they were hot, right when they did their breakaway act and got signed for content and many other things.

but there is only so many stories you can sell shit talking the royal family before folks become disinterested, the big streaming networks will soon cut them loose. So they will try to get to as many high profile royal events as possible to try to stay relevant.

queenofarles · 30/05/2022 15:25

They were definitely unpopular before the interview hence why they wanted to give their side. I agree they were popular at their wedding but something switched
they were very popular during and after the Australian tour too, I’d even say more than K&W who seemed very bland in comparison at that time.

it’s the friends speaking to people magazine, and the letter to TM , it was such an impulsive and ill thought of decision . I really wished they'd just took some time off and moved to Africa after Archie was born, doing documentaries on wildlife and volunteering. things would have changed dramatically for them.

StartupRepair · 30/05/2022 22:13

Don't forget Harry is currently writing his memoirs. So anything they are not happy with in this weekend will go straight into the upcoming book.

Donenow1 · 30/05/2022 22:30

Mamai90 · 28/05/2022 21:13

This!

You sound very invested considering you don't know them from Adam. Personally I couldn't give a shit who the Queen has there.

Why are people obsessed with what Harry and Megan have done? Andrew is a fucking sex offender (allegedly 🤔)

The sooner the monarchy are gone the better. Thankfully the younger generation seem more in favour for a Republic. I think the Andrew allegations were the final nail.

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Totally agree. My DH and I have discussed this. I think Harry fucked off out of it because he can see the writing on the wall for the whole sorry debacle... I like the Queen but I think that bloody family have bled her dry, and personally although a distasteful thing to say, when she dies there are going to be huge changes in that family. Charles is already threatening to slim things right down... I've no doubt that one or two... (looking at you Andrew) are shitting their pants at the thought of her demise... the party for those of their ilk will finally be over...

JemimaPuddlegoose · 30/05/2022 22:39

Don't forget Harry is currently writing his memoirs. So anything they are not happy with in this weekend will go straight into the upcoming book.

Meh, he at least is obviously on good terms with the Queen, so it will be better than Prince Charles' book slagging off the Queen and saying that she was a bad mum and he was raised by staff.

1jan2020 · 30/05/2022 22:50

Badger1970 · 28/05/2022 21:14

Someone who takes a Netflix crew along to a site where 19 kids died isn't someone I want to see, thanks all the same.

Did she actually take a Netflix crew though? Or did she just happen to be caught on camera by other people who were there? I can’t imagine it could be the former.

GoodnightRain · 30/05/2022 22:58

I do think it is terrible that they had such a close connection with one of the world's most notorious sex offenders and were clearly in on the action. Oh wait... that was Andrew. What did they do again?

JemimaPuddlegoose · 30/05/2022 22:58

It's been confirmed by the volunteers who were manning the blood drive, as well as other locals and press who were present, that she did not bring any cameras with her, there were no cameras present inside the building at all, the only cameras outside were those belonging to the news outlets covering the aftermath of the shooting (who were not there for Meghan and had no idea Meghan was coming), and that she snuck in the back door of the kitchen without any entourage, just her bodyguards.

People are just making up lies to justify their hatred of her.

shas19 · 30/05/2022 23:00

Her son is literally a paedophile

montysma1 · 30/05/2022 23:02

You prefer a rapist to a flouncer.
Nice.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 31/05/2022 00:45

However, their private feuding could have been kept private.

This was already impossible. Someone very close to the inside of that situation was leaking like a sieve. Stories were consistently appearing in the media almost all to Harry's, and particularly Meghan's, detriment. It's easier, rather than stab a 'guess' at who that was, to determine who it wasn't. Who in possession of all their marbles would actively pursue a highly damaging PR drive against themselves and seriously taint their own image in the process? No one.

The Daily Mail, granted, had a particularly vicious vendetta, aided by jackals the likes of Piers Morgan and Dan Wootton. But the Mail were the prime movers. At the same time as the 'Get the Bitch!' campaign was aimed at Meghan, stories were continually appearing in that paper painting other family members in such a saccharine light that even their own conservative, monarchy-supporting readership eventually grew sarcastic.

I'll hand it to Harry and Meghan. At least they had the courage and gumption to come out and say what they had to say openly, albeit it was nothing that people generally cared to hear. It's a marked contrast to the underhand method of whoever was getting into bed with the media to smear someone else, doubtless in return for the glowing, favourable (ok nauseating) coverage of themselves. In those circumstances, Harry and Meghan took the only course of action still tenable. They left.

The Windsor PR machine is slick. Reverence for that family is so entrenched (and misguided) that it doesn't seem to occur to people that maybe, just maybe, that couple might have some legitimate complaints.

As a republican since my teens I have no real interest in the Windsors, wouldn't support any one of them, and don't particularly follow their stories in the media. But I do sit up and take notice when wide-scale hate campaigns explode in the media against women (and it always is women), and I very much follow the kinds of attitudes which drive those campaigns. Meghan Markle isn't the first. And certainly, she won't be the last.

LilythePunk · 31/05/2022 04:06

StartupRepair · 30/05/2022 22:13

Don't forget Harry is currently writing his memoirs. So anything they are not happy with in this weekend will go straight into the upcoming book.

That’s why no publication date has been given yet in my view.

Andouillette · 31/05/2022 05:11

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 31/05/2022 00:45

However, their private feuding could have been kept private.

This was already impossible. Someone very close to the inside of that situation was leaking like a sieve. Stories were consistently appearing in the media almost all to Harry's, and particularly Meghan's, detriment. It's easier, rather than stab a 'guess' at who that was, to determine who it wasn't. Who in possession of all their marbles would actively pursue a highly damaging PR drive against themselves and seriously taint their own image in the process? No one.

The Daily Mail, granted, had a particularly vicious vendetta, aided by jackals the likes of Piers Morgan and Dan Wootton. But the Mail were the prime movers. At the same time as the 'Get the Bitch!' campaign was aimed at Meghan, stories were continually appearing in that paper painting other family members in such a saccharine light that even their own conservative, monarchy-supporting readership eventually grew sarcastic.

I'll hand it to Harry and Meghan. At least they had the courage and gumption to come out and say what they had to say openly, albeit it was nothing that people generally cared to hear. It's a marked contrast to the underhand method of whoever was getting into bed with the media to smear someone else, doubtless in return for the glowing, favourable (ok nauseating) coverage of themselves. In those circumstances, Harry and Meghan took the only course of action still tenable. They left.

The Windsor PR machine is slick. Reverence for that family is so entrenched (and misguided) that it doesn't seem to occur to people that maybe, just maybe, that couple might have some legitimate complaints.

As a republican since my teens I have no real interest in the Windsors, wouldn't support any one of them, and don't particularly follow their stories in the media. But I do sit up and take notice when wide-scale hate campaigns explode in the media against women (and it always is women), and I very much follow the kinds of attitudes which drive those campaigns. Meghan Markle isn't the first. And certainly, she won't be the last.

Very well said. An orchestrated campaign is exactly what was hapening, it's painfully obvious and I could hazard a guess about what particular section of the RF (or their stooges) was (is) behind it. Stand by for a load more of it around the jubilee.

Rosebel · 31/05/2022 05:57

Well let's see. It's the Queen's Jubilee so she can invite who she wants. I doubt Megan will turn up though.
I think the Queen is finding everything too much now. Perhaps she knows she hasn't got long left and just wants her family round her while she still has the chance.
I don't care if M&H turn up but Andrew shouldn't be there. Andrew must be thrilled that the public are still slating M&H while he gets away with being a disgusting pervert but no one minds about that!

Vikinga · 31/05/2022 06:08

I don't follow the royal family but I think Meghan is awesome. She's eloquent and isn't scared of standing up for what she believes in and speaking out against injustice.

It's a great loss to this country imo.

Don't blame them for not wanting to live here. The constant abuse towards MM is awful and scary.

And MM would never become the stepford wife that is required to be part of the royal family.

CathyorClaire · 31/05/2022 10:20

I think Harry fucked off out of it because he can see the writing on the wall for the whole sorry debacle

And yet still he clings to the associated titles...

Puzzledandpissedoff · 31/05/2022 10:59

Excellent post, Marie, though I'd add that some of us totally accept H&M may have had legitimate complaints, but just regret the way they've gone about addressing them

IMO the RF stink so some of their worst behaviour is no surprise, but I'm not sure about H&M "coming out and say what they had to say openly" in light of the no-name racism accusations
To my mind, if you're going to allege something as serious as that publicly, you say what's happened properly instead of creating a more general smear. And so what if it "damaged them"? If whatever was allegedly said was true, they deserve to be damaged