To think Harry and Meg should be banned from the Queens Jubilee?

[CallMeCatherine]

Why are they bothering?

They hate the UK, the RF, the whole institution and couldn’t wait to escape, accused the RF and British public of being racist, not welcoming Meg, or caring about her mental health. Her SIL even made her cry allegedly! They did a public interview about it being so hard being a Duke and Duchess in the UK that they just had to flee to a California mansion so they could be Royal there instead.

Do we as the public want to see them at a publicly funded celebration of our Queens 70 years on our throne? All they’ve done is embarrass the monarchy selling stories and their connection.

AIBU to think the Queen should have cut them orf?

[Yes, Andrew has massively embarrassed the monarchy as well but he didn’t flounce from the UK and give interviews about how the RF let him down.]

This thread is disgusting. Some of the comments are vile. Really grim reading.

How can so much poison be spouted for people who you don't know who haven't committed any crime? Disturbing.

The people celebrating the wedding were the typical attitude towards them imo. It is their actions from Oprah onwards that have made them wildly unpopular here. (Admittedly Harry is the one constantly slagging off the UK)

Conflating the media and the allegedly racist member of their family with the whole of the UK is a massive mistake that they've made and when attitudes towards them massively changed imo. Despite what race baiters say, the people who had a problem with her farce were a minority imo.

It's well known that the UK press are particularly savage towards new female members of the RF and this is why Harry's previous relationships didn't work out. Catherine and Sophie get good press now but it took them 10 years of not complaining to get to that point. The only power that the public have over the press is not to
click or read their content. It was the same pre Internet and will always be that way.

I will criticise Meghan or not as I see fit and will maintain that largely, she didn't experience racism at the hands of the British public.

Sorry but how is anyone in a position to say that someone didn't experience racism?? Especially someone who is obviously not from an ethnic minority group. Completely baffles me.

This. I would say what I think about that poster, but I am mindful of being banned.

I'm assuming that they will be there in a low key family way like Zara, Beatrice etc will be as they are not "working royals."

A side comment, but I think the pair should have been given "redundancy counselling" by the Firm.
This would have avoided much of the shit show over the last couple of years.

It is their actions from Oprah onwards that have made them wildly unpopular here

They were definitely unpopular before the interview hence why they wanted to give their side. I agree they were popular at their wedding but something switched.

It's well known that the UK press are particularly savage towards new female members of the RF and this is why Harry's previous relationships didn't work out.

Why is that ok though? Why do "we" need a Kate vs Meg like we had a Sarah vs D? I don't think it's a stretch to think that Harry didn't want to go through that after all the issues with the press & his mum.

I think if the Queen wants them there then fair enough, I hope they have banned Netflix from joining them though.

I'm hoping that Megan and Harry didn't allow the film crew to go with Megan to Texas this week. There would be no coming back from them using that in their reality show.

YouGov popularity ratings:

The Queen - 75%
William - 66%
Kate- 60%
Harry - 32%
Meghan - 24%
Prince Andrew - 12%

Harry and Meghan are generally pretty unpopular with the majority of the British public in 2022.

However back in 2018 this wasn't the case. Harry and Meghan were almost as popular as W+K back then, using the same surveys.

The only power that the public have over the press is not to click or read their content

Agree & why I never understand why the people who don't like them but click on the threads & read the press articles scream that nobody cares about H&M 😆

I've got no time for Harry and Meghan personally, but he is the Queen's grandson and their youngsters are her great -grandchildren. Despite their lack of judgement since they got married, they both presumably love and respect the Queen (though they've got a funny way of showing it). Also, surely 'banning' them would play right into their victim-mentality and provide fuel for many more embarrassing Oprah-like drama-fests.

She's 96 and frankly - she can have anyone she likes at her party! The Queen also doesn't rise or react to perceived slights - she keeps well out of quarrels and feuds, so will just smile serenely and let it all flow over her, I should think.

And yes, if the dreaded Prince Andrew is coming, well....it makes no sense to stop Harry on the grounds that he's embarrassing or annoying!

Can we not have one Meghan thread that doesn't degenerate into a debate about whether or not Meghan experienced racism, and terms like "playing the race card" (which is a racist expression) being thrown around?

Obviously there was racism. Many of the comments online and in the press have been explicitly racist.

I don't get the idea that the Oprah interview changed everything. The hate and racism here on Mumsnet was at its height during their engagement and in the leadup to the wedding and right after. Like ten new threads a day, openly using racial slurs, picking over every tiny thing, repeating lies and conspiracy theories. Just non-stop hate.

Things have actually calmed down massively since they left and there's a tiny fraction of the hate and racism that was present during the engagement. This is the first Meghan thread I've seen in ages.

So I don't believe the hate is anything to do with them leaving or Oprah, since actually the hate seems to have substantially decreased since they left.

I'm hoping that Megan and Harry didn't allow the film crew to go with Megan to Texas this week.

Both the volunteers who were running the blood drive and memorial in Texas, and others who were present confirmed there were no Netflix cameras and that Meghan sneaked in the back to avoid being photographed. The only reason anyone even found out she was there was because one of the volunteers went up to her and asked her for a photo, then sold it to a tabloid. That tipped off the paps that she was there.

"Secret Netflix cameras" is becoming the boogeyman.

Conflating the media and the allegedly racist member of their family with the whole of the UK is a massive mistake that they've made and when attitudes towards them massively changed imo

Very much agree with this, though actually it was the South Africa tour which started to change things for me. I still can't quite believe that they chose such a background, and what had been a great tour up to then, to make things all about them, but then I couldn't believe Harry did it at Invictus either

I keep hoping they'd leave the spotlight to shine on those they claim to support instead of "MEEEEEE", and it keeps not happening

Surely, no one is dumb enough to think the “British Public” thinks as a collective?! Of course many people would like to see them there.

I don’t really care about what’s happening with the celebration. I’ll be away but if I were watching it, I know I’d be happy to see the family together.
Yabru to compare Andrew to Harry and Megan.

Absolutely

I think people are picking at any little thing and are forgetting nuance or that Megan is only human. For me, the South Africa tour was what really made me feel for Meghan. You know, sometimes you can be so shocked by a question (ie her being asked how she is) and if you're feeling low, it can really take you off tangent for a bit. She was struggling behind the scenes. No one asked her or supported her, so in an emotional moment where she was asked a question and was taken aback, she gave a very human response.

I could not believe people were attacking her for that. I was totally gobsmacked. There is simply no room for humanity of a person, no room for human frailty, of a woman who was suffering. I can't believe anyone could be so cold, so cruel, and so lacking in empathy to attack her for that moment. Of all things. She didn't knowingly or deliberately 'make it about herself', she experienced an emotional moment of human frailty. I can honestly say I couldn't have handled it as good as she did.

ow would the volunteers know this when one cameraman looks much like another? Unless Netflix crew all wear logo'd jackets of course, and I didn't think they did?

There were no cameras present at all. (Except for the paps who were outside.) Unless Meghan was wearing a hidden camera in her bra or something, it definitely was not being filmed.

Come to think of it, where did this "confirmation" come from anyway

It's been confirmed by numerous locals - people actually affected by the shooting - who were present as volunteers running the blood drive and the food donation points.

Both the volunteers who were running the blood drive and memorial in Texas, and others who were present confirmed there were no Netflix cameras

Come off it, TalkingCat; I can fully accept and even regret that she may have been feeling awful, but that wasn't an off the cuff question and a "moment" of frailty - it was a planned interview, at which I'd be very surprised if she didn't insist on knowing the questions beforehand

Sorry, but I can (and do) detest the way much of the media behaves, but not when she's had such an obvious hand in the output herself

It was quite clear to me and to many others that the question came from left field, it wasn't vetted, and her surprise at being asked and being stumped by it pretty well proved this.

The question clearly was not on the vetted list. That, was more than obvious.

More than obvious.

@TalkingCat M's "are you ok?" reaction is a normal human response but she's taken a job where she's expected to play a certain character in public and leave the real M at home. That is why no women from aristocratic circles would want to marry into the RF and William was lucky to find Catherine who will just "shut up and wave "

It's not a system I would join and I wouldn't want my kids to join either but it's not a secret what the expectations are.

There were no cameras present at all. (Except for the paps who were outside.) Unless Meghan was wearing a hidden camera in her bra or something, it definitely was not being filmed.

Someone is filming her in this pic. Plus NBC filmed her for their news from a different angle to the camera man in that pic

Not the case with the OP though, clearly.

Meghan can't do right for doing wrong. If she discovered a cure for cancer while simultaneously stopping climate change and ending world hunger, she'd be accused of doing it to get attention.

I don't blame her at all for fucking off to live in another country, tbh.

The sooner we get rid of the monarchy the better, imo, they're all bloody dysfunctional.