To think Harry and Meg should be banned from the Queens Jubilee?

[CallMeCatherine]

Why are they bothering?

They hate the UK, the RF, the whole institution and couldn’t wait to escape, accused the RF and British public of being racist, not welcoming Meg, or caring about her mental health. Her SIL even made her cry allegedly! They did a public interview about it being so hard being a Duke and Duchess in the UK that they just had to flee to a California mansion so they could be Royal there instead.

Do we as the public want to see them at a publicly funded celebration of our Queens 70 years on our throne? All they’ve done is embarrass the monarchy selling stories and their connection.

AIBU to think the Queen should have cut them orf?

[Yes, Andrew has massively embarrassed the monarchy as well but he didn’t flounce from the UK and give interviews about how the RF let him down.]

Funny that about the press; he doesn't seem to mind when they're taking photos on Remembrance Day in a cemetery, or when he's 'limbering' up for polo. And he hasn't 'always' been the black sheep at all, not so many years ago the British public adored him.

I think it's possible. She's regularly out and about in London without camera. Shopping, riding bikes with her children in Hyde Park, picking them up from school and play dates etc.

I'm not sure why you think because she does school drop offs & visits the park that means she would walk 1.5hrs with only one security officer?

I remember Cressida saying the Met knew beforehand that she was coming. Which is entirely logical, she cannot just on a whim decide to go somewhere. They are obvious targets, didn't they have 1000 security staff for the Pakistan tour. I think it must be a horrible way to live.

But why fly, in a private jet by all accounts, all the way to Texas?

She could have asked someone closer to my flowers on her behalf - happens all the time in normal circles.

To all of you who take everything that the gutter press and the gossip sites tell you about Meghan as gospel, and respond to their dog whistling with your frothing, I would offer you the words of Charles Augustus Magnussen, a thinly-disguised media mogul who appears in Sherlock, who threatens to publish discrediting lies.

When Sherlock tells him he can’t prove his story, Magnussen tells him, “I’m in news, you moron. I don’t have to prove it, I just have to print it.”

Saying that, I don't have any thoughts one way or another on either him or the duchess. But I do think he courts the press while saying he despises them.

But why fly, in a private jet by all accounts, all the way to Texas?

logically it's because it's quicker, it's the main reason people use them plus the privacy aspect.

She could have asked someone closer to my flowers on her behalf - happens all the time in normal circles.

But why should she? If she wanted to go for whatever reason why can't she?

But I do think he courts the press while saying he despises them.

I think that's true for the Royals & celebs in general. They all need the PR.

Maybe she wanted to visit Justkeeppedaling

as many many people do they want to go there in person to show support and pay respect

why attend funerals or memorials when you can just send flowers

That anyone can manufacture outrage about Harry and Meghan when Andrew is still kicking around beggars belief.

I can give you £12m reasons why Andrew should be expelled from the Royal Family, should you need them, OP.

First it's taking the jet to Texas but if she took a different means of transport the criticism would be she shouldn't go as she has no connection to Texas. And if she did have connection or felt something then she should have got a friend to lay flowers. The amount of criticism levelled at her is completely disproportionate.

People don't usually take private jets though.
Would you take a private jet to lay flowers for someone you didn't know at a makeshift memorial, particularly if you knew your presence would distract attention from the horrific event itself.
No matter how tragic the circs were, I doubt this is usual behaviour.

I can give you £12m reasons why Andrew should be expelled from the Royal Family, should you need them, OP

😆

Would you take a private jet to lay flowers for someone you didn't know at a makeshift memorial, particularly if you knew your presence would distract attention from the horrific event itself.

I'm not rich or famous so no private jets for me!
Why is her presence distracting attention from the horror though? It's keeping it in the press surely.

I’m not followed around by the press all the time I don’t know what that is like but can imagine it’s awful

and the distance between LA and Uvalde is what 1000 miles

I guess she could have walked I would agreed it’s a bit lazy of her not to try

It's all fine and good to talk about 'dignity in silence' if you're not the one being lied about in the media and NO ONE is defending you. It's innate in most people I would think, to stand up for themselves and exonerate themselves, to have the truth come out. There is absolutely no dignity in allowing your name to be smeared and letting it happen and allowing the narrative about you to be run.

I didn’t accuse you of racism LondonWolf

read my posts

Harry called out the press early on or are you in a better position to decide if she was on the receiving end of racism than Megan is herself

no need to answer you have already told me you are

This, absolutely. Let this monarch be the last.

It's innate in most people I would think, to stand up for themselves and exonerate themselves, to have the truth come out

Again I agree up to a point, but IME that tends to work best if those doing the telling stick to the truth and/or keep it brief - and as we've seen, H&M sometimes do neither.
In any case, no matter what's said and by who it can so easily descend into tit for tat, so for me the dignity can rest in just not engaging then watching the story naturally move on to something else

um because Harry said so in a recent interview?

what an odd comment.

The Queen is an old lady, it's her business who she chooses to invite to her personal celebration. Her guest list is none of your business.

Again read my posts

it’s not acceptable for our leading press to stir up racism

this is what we should all be outraged by

And this started from day one so no she was not welcomed by the British public as many had decided on her skin colour she shouldn’t marry into the royal family

just because you celebrated the wedding or engagement and those you know did doesn’t mean all the British public did hence why the press baited then with success

Just because you celebrated the wedding or engagement and those you know did doesn’t mean all the British public did hence why the press baited then with success

Quite right; as some of us have said, nobody with sense would deny that racism exists and that the more disgusting media pander to it
However while it's not my place to speak for others, I believe the objections were to "all" the UK being damned as racists, and to any criticism at all - no matter how valid - being bracketed the same way. For me that's both tiresome and a shame

Why are they bothering?

Hedging their bets against the Californian dream souring

Building bridges?