Part 6 keeping it civil - the Depp Heard jury is out

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4556643-part-5-aibu-to-want-15-minutes-fame-depp-v-heard

hoping we can continue to discuss without unpleasantness - so far so good.

Amber for me is what happens when abuse and a fantasist collide. Even the areas that I believed her are now doubtful in my mind. She is her strongest witness and her own strongest detractor. I can’t believe someone who will not openly lie but then tries to deflects their lies on other people.

Sure!

Part one

Part two

It's a good thread if you want to read a completely one sided opinion. I would expect a bit more balance from a researcher.

Whilst she makes some valid points, I stopped reading where she says something along the lines of 'I believe there are male victims of DA, but JD does not seem like one' and 'they were surrounded by his staff'.

Spiralling substance misuse and becoming withdrawn are classic signs of DA and it has been reported by multiple people that this is what happened to JD whilst he was with AH. One of the main arguments we have heard from those defending AH are that there are no classic victims, that everyone responds and acts differently, and I would 100% agree with this. However, according to this thread, JD does not seem like he is a victim of DA!

He also surrounded AH with her friends and family, allowing them to live rent free in adjoining penthouses which is hardly a sign of someone who is trying to isolate and control someone.

Thank you!

@Sozzler you are absolutely right there. IMO.

(rushes back onto thread, I lost you all)

So, what happens now, does anyone know? Late last night I got a youtube notification, it was a juror asking a question. Elaine got antsy Camille et al were calm. It was about how they judge the title of the OpEd? Is it content or title? Judge ruled title. Seemed a little irritated with AH team.

Frankly, it was late and I didn[t pay much attention. But jusge was, as always tip top.

Our great British press, (I live abroad) are shockingly against JD. In Spain, it is JD all the way.

I have my suspicions about the closet trashing. This was supposedly done by JD ten days or less, can't find the exact date, after reconstructive surgery on his finger. There were several people around in the other PHs at this time; funny how not one of them managed to film even a few seconds of him wrecking the joint. And yet AH was so careful to get footage of him kicking the fridge and slamming a few cupboard doors. But here, we just get photos of the carnage after the fact.

Let's not forget that AH was on anti psychotics, and we know she also abused substances - Adderall, Xanax, ecstasy, hallucinogens. She admits to throwing pots and pans around. In Australia JJ requests DK give her something "in case she kicks off." How do we know AH didn't go into a drug induced frenzy and tip the units etc. over herself? But no, it would be so much easier to blame it on Johnny "Hotel Room Trashing Hell Raising" Depp, even though that was last reported 27 years ago. Similarly, stubbing a cigarette out on his cheek; we know he has a history of self harm, of course he did it himself!

Noone will believe you, Johnny!

I’ve always believed Depp didn’t have a chance with the op Ed, but I am starting to think he may have the sexual violence. As speaking out on sexual violence and facing the wrath cannot be in relation to her high school experience add this with the judges clarification. I really thought that the verdict would be quick as defamation is so hard to prove.

Oh she's painting the bruises on? I thought she was photoshopping the photos? Strange that she would do both of those things and not even bother to make them look really gratuitous. Not sure what her motivations would be either.

And unless you're her gynaecologist (and even then), you have no idea whether she was sexually assaulted, do you?

I also think he may win the sexual violence count. A very outlandish story with no pattern. If I recall correctly, that story was dismissed even by the UK judge. Add in the new testimony from the Hicksville manager whose account of the night and the damage left in the hotel room vastly differs from Heard’s.

Its strange and pretty unbelievable to imagine why she never sought medical attention for any of her alleged injuries or for JD when he was apparently passed out from drugs or alcohol

I've dithered about posting because as a feminist I assume women are telling the truth. But here goes:

I've been punched full in the face by a man and for this reason I don't believe AH ever has. My face was barely recognisable afterwards and my eyes were swollen shut. I don't think AH has the faintest idea of the damage that would have been done to her face had JD punched her with rings on each finger. No amount of makeup would cover it.

I wasn't interested in the Sun trial, assumed he was abusive as charged, though slightly surprised as I couldn't remember anyone else saying so and he's over 50. Then this trial loomed into view and I admit I was morbidly interested.

I expected her allegations to be justified. So I was very surprised when I saw a woman I kept being unable to believe. She was lying - that whole TMZ thing for instance. According to her everyone else is lying. All of them. And that constant sobbing without tears really jarred. Histrionic describes her to a tee.

People in abusive relationships isolate their victims. AH had friends and her sister living around her in several apartments all paid for by JD. It's striking that her friends haven't turned up as witnesses

When I was in an abusive relationship the last thing I would do or say was anything that he might interpret as provocative. I was scared of him. AH doesn't seem to have ever been scared of JD.

I can imagine that JD could be a nightmare to live with because of his addictions. But I don't believe her other allegations. If I had to live with one of the two of them I'd go for JD...

I think we can still hope for an Amber victory - or for her to be found to have not defamed him. I believe her testimony and the people for JD are mainly bought and paid for.

I found her emotional breakdowns heart wrenching and the thought if the sexual acts she described JD inflicting on her convinced me that he is a monster. It’s a pity it’s only a civil case as criminal charges would be appropriate.

The Depp boosters, who thankfully seem to be in a minority, don’t appear to be watching the same trial as me. He comes across to me as a creep who should not be in a relationship in the first place.

There's a video of JD as CJS in July 2015 talking to children in hospital; he's asked what happened to his bandaged finger. He replies "I ate it. I was hungry, just the tip; the nail wasn't too good." Then pointed to a scrap of fur hanging from his belt and said "That was me cat. I ate him too." 😅😅😅

The Depp boosters, who thankfully seem to be in a minority, don’t appear to be watching the same trial as me. He comes across to me as a creep who should not be in a relationship in the first place.

You’re watching the same trial as me.

"I found her emotional breakdowns heart wrenching"

Well, they wrenched something from me...😅

But seriously, she's a fantasist, living in la la land, and she's done her best to destroy a man who, while clearly no saint, I do not believe to have committed the dreadful crimes she has accused him of. And I'm actually prettty angry about that, so yes, I hope justice prevails and the jury see through her bs.

Yes I just feel so sad for Amber. Presumably went into the marriage hoping for love and a long term outcome and confronted with drugs and alcohol and violence. I hope she comes through and his career is even further torpedoed.

"Sure, you and the rest of the cuntstruck women of the world"

Did you mean to be such a patronising twat there?

The Depp boosters, who thankfully seem to be in a minority

You really believe the public opinion favours her more? Deluded 😂

I hope that any victory reflects the truth. I think we are clearly divided on what that truth is, and if I am wrong, and JD has done those awful things, then of course, I would hope for AH to win. However, if she has made false allegations and twisted the truth to portray JD as the abuser when in fact it was the other way around, then I really hope JD wins and is able to rebuild his life and career.

It is a pity that there wasn't a criminal trial, and I do feel this is another way that JD has been treated very unfairly. He has had horrific allegations made against him to the whole world. However, as AH never pressed charges or reported him to the police for these alleged crimes, he has not had the opportunity to prove his innocence in a court of law, and has instead had to try to do it via the defamation route.

The problem with the “I was in an abusive relationship and mine was different so this isn’t real” line is that every abusive relationship is different.

If you’ve been in one you only know the dynamics of your own.

Not all women in abusive relationships are afraid of their partners. And that can be the problem - they’re not afraid enough. They say - he might hurt them but he wouldn’t kill them. They say - if they stay he will only hurt them and they can cope with that, but if they leave he will kill them. Some women who end up being killed notified their friends, family, police that they were in danger, but some genuinely didn’t see they were at risk of being murdered.

Some women in abusive relationships are actually really tough. They stay because they in love or are codependent and enmeshed, have nowhere else to go, or because he will kill them.

I think some of the people defending Amber are watching this trial with their fingers over their eyes and ears.

I do suspect she might win on a technicality but I am glad that he has been able to tell his story. And most people do believe him!

I hope that any victory reflects the truth. I think we are clearly divided on what that truth is, and if I am wrong, and JD has done those awful things, then of course, I would hope for AH to win. However, if she has made false allegations and twisted the truth to portray JD as the abuser when in fact it was the other way around, then I really hope JD wins and is able to rebuild his life and career.

The best example of stating the bleeding obvious I’ve read in a while. Complete waste of electrons to transmit it.

"Cuntstruck"? That's an incredibly hostile reaction. WTF IrisVersicolor?

No chance of addressing any of my points I see. Are you claiming that being punched in the face by an adult man leaves the victim with a small pink patch on their cheek?

Oh and I've always understood that it's men who become cuntstruck.

I wouldn’t find for either of them personally.

I don’t think it was wise for Depp to bring this case, as ‘telling his story’ has revealed him to be a rancid hot mess.

I’d have thought what the trial revealed would affect his career as much as allegations of abuse.