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Postnatal Ward Hell!

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Creditcrunch2243 · 27/05/2022 20:09

AIBU to ask if the postnatal word is actually the 7th circle of hell?

On a ward with 4 others. One has been scrolling through songs on their phone for the last two hours only listening to the first 5 seconds of each one. One couple have bought a tv pass and have the One Show on full volume, they are then making video calls over the top of the TV and rowing about why their newborn won't settle (because the poor thing is thinking wtf is all this shouting?). The poor midwives are so understaffed everything is running late, including everyone's painkillers which were due an hour and a half ago. I've had a c section and I'm absolutely boiling and for some reason the heating is on!

Maybe I'm just a grumpy old woman but I'm starting to lose my mind here! Why can't people just be quiet!

OP posts:
BemoreDerek · 28/05/2022 04:01

They didn't even feed me when I had DD, I had to wait til teatime the following day (DD was born at 3am) for DH to bring me something to eat.

Creditcrunch2243 · 28/05/2022 04:02

I just feel so sorry for the staff here! They are doing their best but some of the women here are just the worst. I honestly don't know what people expect from birth/breastfeeding etc. the woman who was keeping everyone awake with her TV earlier is now crying her eyes out because she's tired and baby is struggling to feed. She's shouting 'no one is helping me 🙄'. Her other half told her to stop moaning when baby was about 3 hours old, gave baby a dummy then buggered off to the pub. Now the staff are to blame? She's back on the (speaker) phone now talking about how she might have sepsis.

OP posts:
Scottishskifun · 28/05/2022 05:00

Oh I feel your pain! When I was in with DS for a week as he was in neonatal unit I had one "woman" more a girl have visitors til 11pm at night including a toddler! She refused to get out of bed and just buzzed the midwife for everything and then sat on her phone watching videos. She then demanded a private room because she apparently was getting disturbed by them coming to wake me up to feed my son and she deserved it.......
I was moved and had a ward with one other 😂

Darhon · 28/05/2022 05:17

This is why I insisted on a private room for my second and had my 3rd at home.

Hope you get out soon.

Luckily I had my 1st before the smartphone era so no music. And I’ve noticed that more people are just putting music on without headphones.

Bednobsbroomsticks · 28/05/2022 06:25

With my second I had a woman come on to the ward having just had a baby screaming and shouting obscenities to the midwifes. Clearly something very wrong with her mental health. They were all obviously frightened of her and her behaviour. I thought I'm not staying here with my baby but they carted her off to her own room in the end as she was out of m control. After that had a woman led opposite me telling me I was making a rod for my own back having baby in bed with me. Told her it was my 2nd child and ill do what I like stifling hot in May heatwave couldn't wait to get hell out of there

Pollywoddles · 28/05/2022 06:26

My private room was given to a Covid patient and I ended up on the semi-private ward for 3 nights before finally getting a room. I had a section so was in for longer. I remember telling the consultant that it could be used as a torture technique. Lights on all night, babies screaming and nobody doing anything, people FaceTiming with volume up full, patients and babies being moved in at all hours. It was horrific and I was only with 3 other mums, I shudder to think what a public ward would be like. No wonder people go home the same day!

The saving grace was that the staff were amazing and when my baby got dehydrated and jaundiced I felt really supported.

JennyForeigner · 28/05/2022 06:37

My first son was born in the hottest week in local history - 100F+. 1970s building, windows locked, no fans allowed. Hospital drinks machines were broken and lukewarm water was being doled out in the world's smallest glasses.

The Chief Midwife is investigating them now. I hope she tears them to shreds.

Awoooga · 28/05/2022 06:45

I’m due my first in August and when people ask if I’m worried about labour I say no, not compared to the post natal ward 😂I can’t believe the staff let it get so bad. What an awful environment for you to spend your first hours/days with a baby!

WaltzingWaters · 28/05/2022 06:57

Yep hated my time I was crying and pleading them to let me go by the last day asking how the hell I was supposed to get better when I was literally not able to get ANY sleep. 3 nights in labour, 3 nights in hospital afterwards, and I was having trouble breathing by the end I was that exhausted.
as well as being on a ward with 2-3 others, both me and my baby were having regular checks, antibiotics, etc and they would do it all at different times, so as soon as I’d drift off someone would wake me for something. And the midwives were so noisy at night, no attempt to talk quietly at all. Was so relieved to get home.

Theawkwardblonde · 28/05/2022 07:04

This thread has brought back some lovely memories 😂

I was on a ward after my section in Jan. it was very understaffed dvd every bed taken, but I will say the staff were amazing.
Must be a thing with it being stifling hot as I felt it'll.
I was put on at 5am, had been labouring for 2 days before so no sleep, section done in the night. Was somehow expected to sleep when I was in a room with 3 of the most twisty, lazy demanding women I've ever witnessed. None of them had a section but quite frankly couldn't be arsed to feed, change or care for their babies properly, had the poor midwives doing everything. I on the other have tried to do everything myself. I was told off in the night for not sleeping as I was hitting nearly 40 hours no sleep. I eventually passed out from exhaustion and woke to find a lovely midwife feeding DD and had brought me some cake 💕postnatal wards are hell! 😂

User1234567891011121314 · 28/05/2022 07:07

I feel your pain OP!
With my first it was traumatic enough as it was but was in a ward full of men who were shouting and midwives seem to only help the other 3 women and their babies! When it came to my turn I was rushed and told I couldn't breast feed so I may as well give up and give the bottle! I didn't sleep any of the nights because one of the babies was screaming and mine was sleeping probably coz of the pethidine because for 4 months he wouldn't stop crying after! And omg it was so HOT!!!! I was burning up, bloody, raging anyway I will block that out. So the next time I have birth I paid for a room and it was amazing. Hope you are ok and recover soon, get someone to bring you a mini fan and headphones!

DistrictCommissioner · 28/05/2022 07:12

This is why I had homebirths for 2nd and 3rd!

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 28/05/2022 07:13

Oh gosh, that reminded me of my time in hospital after DS1 was born. He was born at about 2am, and I stayed up on the labour ward until about 5, and then was brought down to the maternity/postnatal room with 3 other beds in. Not quite as bad as yours, noise level wise, but SO FUCKING HOT!! I'd had no sleep and was just so so hot, I got a migraine and they wouldn't bring me ibuprofen so it wouldn't go away.

I was threatening to discharge myself and DS1 at that point because I was at screaming point - when an old colleague came to see me (I used to work at the hospital) and they said "oh, did you work here?" and then offered me a private room.

OMG the difference!! Silence, I could open the window, I had my own (effectively) loo and shower because the other private rooms were empty on that corridor - it was amazing! So I stayed another 2 nights because it was then bearable.

I don't know if they'd offered the other mums private rooms and they'd turned them down, but if you're offered one, take it!!

xorymum · 28/05/2022 07:22

I was out on the PostNatal ward after the birth of my DD who died 2 hours after birth. It was full of babies crying, naturally.

I was sat there in silent tears (H not allowed up cos of Covid), and Bounty picture lady popped her head round and said 'Right! Where's little one then? Time for a picture now or should I come back later?'

I burst into tears. She quickly removed herself and didn't question me further Sad

MissMarplesGoddaughter · 28/05/2022 07:22

SlowHorses · 27/05/2022 21:10

Sympathies OP. I wish the midwifes were like the strict matrons you see on TV just to stop people being on their phones in an antisocial way and annoying visitors.

My DC was born in August some years ago during a heat wave. THE HEATING WAS STILL FUCKING ON at the hospital. Sorry, still a little wound up about it as you can tell 😂

How anyone is meant to recover I have no idea.

Congratulations 🥳

Years ago when I had my DC, there were stricter rules regarding visiting times and definitely no men staying overnight or using the toilets / showers. We were told we needed to rest and recover. We rested on our beds in the afternoons after the 2 pm feed, did post natal exercises and there were regular tea and coffee rounds.

This was well before mobile phones and devices, so there was very little anti social, selfish behaviour then. I went home feeling rested and recovered.

GrendelsGrandma · 28/05/2022 07:38

I get really angry when I think how bad postnatal wards are. It's mildly amusing when you've had a straightforward birth but I think it compounds the trauma of a difficult one. I was on one for a week and I think I'd rather got though the two day labour again than repeat the hospital stay. It's chaos just when you most need peace.

If they were staffed properly, you'd have midwives setting expectations about noise, visitors etc.

Teateaandmoretea · 28/05/2022 07:45

Yep, it’s why I had a homebirth for my second

SlowHorses · 28/05/2022 07:49

@ThreeLittleDots

With respect, I don’t think it’s helpful to say ‘well most people can just discharge themselves’.

Louise0701 · 28/05/2022 07:53

@JennyForeigner investigating who and tears who to shreds?

Louise0701 · 28/05/2022 07:54

@xorymum that’s appalling!!! Why was the bounty woman even there during covid and the the hell were you on a post natal ward????

Takemetothemaldives · 28/05/2022 07:55

I’m so sorry to hear about your experience. I work in a postnatal ward and I wanted to comment on why these issues are so bad.

We find it very difficult to speak up to visitors, as managers often don’t back us up. We used to have posters saying not to abuse NHS staff (you will see them all over the NHS) you won’t see them in my ward because the boss removed them, saying that it might upset the partners/visitors.

I told a few fathers last week that the bathroom was for patients only and offered to show them the visitors bathroom. One tried to intimidate me and got in my face questioning me about what the difference is between the two bathrooms, shouting at me what is my problem. I politely explained the reasons why we need to keep the bathroom free for mums and also because of infection control. I was shaking though. The senior midwife did support me after I explained the situation to her luckily. The third guy just laughed at me. All of the doors have signs saying patient only.

Another guy got angry because the ward couldn’t accommodate his request. He somehow got into the ward and demanded that we do something for him (they were discharged the week before) we explained that we can’t do it unless they are actually an inpatient and started shouting at us all, apparently the NHS is shit etc. his demands were just ridiculous and he didn’t seem to understand how short staffed we were and couldn’t just do this thing for him. I also asked patients and husbands repeatedly last week that the husband doesn’t sleep in the bed. I just got laughed at and ignored multiple times. Either the new mum and baby were sat in a plastic chair while her husband was asleep snoring in the bed, or all three of them were in the bed. These are single beds for one patient. If the patient is more than a certain weight we have to order a special bed. ALL of our beds in the hospital are broken, we’re running out all the time and it’s no wonder.

The managers don’t back us up and there is a lot of victim blaming and bullying in the NHS. Even if we are being polite about things, the aggressive visitor/partner will always tell the managers that we were aggressive or rude and we can’t prove them wrong. The issue is (in my personal opinion) most of the partners are men, and most of the staff on my ward are women (in fact we only have 1 male staff member), these men don’t want to be told what to do by a woman. They can’t stand it, even if what we are saying is right. Especially because I look quite young, I find that the men try to intimidate me or boss me around. It’s ridiculous because they won’t try it with the older midwives because they are tougher and won’t take any shit. They are the ones you can complain to and they will back you up! The actual managers in the office won’t back us up, they don’t want any complaints going through that’s why.

We can’t say anything because all we get is abuse! I’ve been chased around the ward and cornered by a man and when I had a panic attack and had to leave work because not one member of staff helped me, I was given a warning at work, and sent on a conflict management course. I almost phoned the police as I felt so unsafe but I didn’t think I was allowed so I just grabbed my bag and left.

I genuinely feel sorry for every patient I see, I wish we could change the maternity wards to single rooms. It’s never going to happen though. Having single rooms would help so much, having more staff would help too, and having managers who support us would help. Most of it comes down to more money which the government don’t want to invest.

midlifecrash · 28/05/2022 08:04

starting to wonder if there could be some sort of Mumsnet campaign?


  • use headphones for music/phone/tv

  • support for midwives and staff on wards

if there’s a general expectation or rule around headphones it might get easier to enforce? Like in a train quiet carriage - occasionally there is some arsehole SHOUTING into their phone but everyone glares and they soon realise

Littlegoth · 28/05/2022 08:08

Hell on earth. I was in for 5 nights, by which point I was pretty delirious with lack of sleep. Another night and I think I would have snapped. Height of the pandemic, hottest week of the year, ward mates making loud, speaker on phone calls at all hours, Soaps and other TV shows blasting all night and the woman next to me who was the noisiest eater I have ever come across, and who spent any time not eating burping the alphabet. Just awful.

On night 4 I got pissed off, said out loud, ‘oh well, if everyone else is doing it I might as well too!’ and stopped using my headphones to listen to my music. I like Iron Maiden and Wagner. I’m guessing the point was got as it was a bit quieter overnight after that.

I was thinking about having another child but just thinking about this is putting me off.

Littlegoth · 28/05/2022 08:10

Wagner as in the German composer, not the X factor contestant. Although suppose it’s all the same at 2am

SlowHorses · 28/05/2022 08:12

So sorry to hear that @Takemetothemaldives

I’m disgusted at how spineless some of these NHS managers are not backing you up and also how disrespectful and aggressive some members of the public are towards staff - it’s shocking! I can’t imagine having to tolerate that in a place of work everyday, it’s totally unacceptable.

Most of us on this thread know you do an amazing job and the challenges you face outside your control.

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