Every household?????

[Trainfromredhill]

So, the chancellor is going to give every household £400 for heating. Surely there should be a cut off of household income? The Beckhams, Elton John, james Dyson, Harry styles…….they all get the money too? . I say this as someone in the fortunate position of not needing the £400- I’d much rather it went to someone who does need it.Just seems a huge waste of public money to give it to everyone

People on UC are getting £1200 and get I know people on UC better off than us. I don’t begrudge they’re getting this but annoyed at suggestion we shouldn’t get the £400

Which is fair enough, as they don’t need it if it’s included in their fixed rent.

The money is to pay for energy, not a handout to the poor.

HMRC use something called RPA, robotic process automation they know how much every single one of us earns in a heartbeat, it’s literally at their fingertips so this is a deliberate decision to give everybody the money absolutely nothing to do with the cost of administration.

When the £400 is taken off your energy account, donate £400 to charity or a food bank.

That fixed rent could have gone up to cover the increase in energy bills.

Pensioners get the £400 universal payment, plus £300 if they qualify for the winter fuel payment - an extra £150 if they are also disabled and in receipt of a qualifying disability benefit. Some of it is coming from a £5bn windfall tax on the energy giants. This is an awful thread - I’ve watched it descend into disability envy and now old person envy. Maybe we should all grow up and accept that it is what it is.

Not forgetting an extra £650 if they receive pension credit.

The likelihood is that their rent will have gone up to cover the increased energy bills. The idea should be a handout to the poorest in society not a windfall for people with multiple properties or millions in assets.

The likelihood is that their rent will have gone up to cover the increased energy bills. The idea should be a handout to the poorest in society not a windfall for people with multiple properties or millions in assets.

What do you think they should do

but I really do want to know if you, and others who feel the same, would prefer if those who would just miss out but really need it shouldn’t get it?

Then it’s not fixed, is it?

My daughters of in student digs and their electricity is included in the cost of their rent however whilst they had signed the contracts for the new term coming in 2020 to 2023 and my god it is impossible to get out of those contracts because we tried last year when she had the housemates from hell but it turns out that those companies can increase the rent by up to 10% to cover on expected eventualities such as utility bills so not only are they going to get £400 per property from the government they gonna charge each of the students an additional 10% too.

i’ve told my two to have the place like a fucking greenhouse, I’m hoping you’ll be able to see it from space.

of course the both a pair of greenies so they won’t

@Hugasauras
Can you explain how the £400 will be divvied up if the recipient is with two different companies for electricity and gas.

@Babyroobs
Really? 😮
There's a chap living on his own a few roads away who sometimes asks me to do shopping for him in bad winter weather. He's about mid 70s and still does gardening and a bit of DIY for locals, cash in hand.
I know he gets pension credit as he's a bit of a talker.
Are you saying that he'll get 400 energy payment plus 300 extra pension one off plus 680 as he gets pension credit? 😲
Is pension credit a means tested payment?
That seems to be a huge amount of entitlement.

the £400 is supposed to be targeted at reducing energy bills. So makes most sense to do it directly.and pay it off the bills.

we don’t know if this person’s rent has gone up but I think (given the £400 is due for the October rise) it’s not necessarily “likely”.

They know how much individuals earn they have no clue how much individual households earn since independent taxation came in. The £400 is credited to electricity bills not given to individuals.

I was thinking about this and I’m not sure but I’m thinking the only logical way is for it to come off the electricity only. Not everyone is the country is on gas mains, my dad isn’t and they get oil delivered, my neighbour had his gas disconnected as they don’t use any gas (storage heaters) so we’re paying standing charge for nothing. I’m thinking that every house in the country must be on mains electric (I could of course be completely wrong)

but I really do want to know if you, and others who feel the same, would prefer if those who would just miss out but really need it shouldn’t get it?

But these people are missing because of this stupid policy, there are people in work (full time) who are on £20k to £25k, have very little disposable income but are just above the UC and will only get £400, same as someone on 100k with 1 or 2 rental homes etc etc.

The Govt has the ability to have means tested this, it should not be the Govt's job to hand out billions of pounds to people who do not need it, though its hardly surprising that folk who are usually right wing, suddenly become hardened socialists when they smell some free money.

Anyone know how the very poorest, on key meters, will get the £400? or do they have to apply, like those who are not on DD.

from what I’ve read the £400 will be credited onto the meter, any other payments will be paid out to same account as benefit

The expensive house / mortgage is your choice.

My council flat may not be that expensive to heat; but it's an old boiler, etc. My income is significantly less.

I would prefer the very wealthy not to get it, of course it’s not needed, but on balance I would also prefer those who are just outside UC and struggling to get help with the £400

And as other posters have explained well the system to assess this is time intensive and expensive.

I'm on different companies for gas and electric. It is only coming off the electric according to my gas supplier.

Anyone know how the very poorest, on key meters, will get the £400? or do they have to apply, like those who are not on DD

Either vouchers or it will be automatically put on to the key/card when we top up for the 1st time after whatever date the rebate is set for. So if the rebate takes effect on Oct 1st then the first top-up after that will have £400 added.

They don’t need to know how much I household earns if they’ve got one person with a date who’s there in 60 grand for example, thats it, theres your cut off.

They’ve purposely given it to everyone so people dont whinge. And still they do.

So how are you suggesting pays it out, hmrc or the electricity company?

my situation is I pay the bill. I earn £60k partner earns £25k.

how do electricity company know what I earn to not pay me?

so are you suggesting hmrc pay out? How do they know my partner has me that earns £60k, we are not connected at all on hmrc records as taxation is independent since the 1980s